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Code 0 and Comfortina 39

Very nice movie on Hamnen about the use of Code 0 for cruising. It is in Swedish but it is pretty much self explanatory.



The movie show also how well the Comfortina 39 sails in light winds. We have talked already about this German boat that is one of my preferred among the more traditional boats. This is a very interesting boat, in a kind of classic way, a relatively heavy boat if compared with performance sailing boats but a fast boat if compared with the Malo or Halberg-Rassy.

Let's have a look at some other movies, in this case from an Italian test:

This is a high quality boat that can maintain all sail up with lots of wind, a very good offshore boat with a good sail performance and a great interior



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First hand of this play is to Groupama or should I say Cammas since this was entirely a strategic play:

Groupama, alone chose a different course and it seems to me that he chose the right course. He is blasting away from all other boats doing over 20k and looking for big winds and stormy seas.

If they can keep the boat in one piece in 12 hours the difference for the second (Puma) would be much more than the 9K they have already. That is assuming that weather and wind information is true and it was not always the case on this race

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Well, it is good to be right

Puma lost almost 20Nm on 6 hours to Groupama and is going to loss more on the next hours, I would say.

Unless the weather chart is not right I don't understand Puma strategy. The pack, after having hesitated followed Groupama course and it seems a better one than the one Puma is following.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I must say, I really like the Comfortina 39. Looks like a nice offshore suitable interior, and the exterior is pleasantly non-euro styled. She even sports dorade vents. She also seems to sail well. I can only find a 2m draft version on their site. Do they offer a shoal keel option? How is the pricing compared to HR372 or Salona38?
As far as Puma goes, it seems they are staying close to the eastern wall of the Gulf Stream, maybe in the hopes of a favorable current, maybe they know something we don't....
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I must say, I really like the Comfortina 39. Looks like a nice offshore suitable interior, and the exterior is pleasantly non-euro styled. She even sports dorade vents. She also seems to sail well. I can only find a 2m draft version on their site. Do they offer a shoal keel option? How is the pricing compared to HR372 or Salona38?
As far as Puma goes, it seems they are staying close to the eastern wall of the Gulf Stream, maybe in the hopes of a favorable current, maybe they know something we don't....
I knew you would like this one. And you have reason to like it. They use to be at Dusseldorf and I can promise you that you are going to be impressed.

Regarding the keel this is a semi-custom boat and they probably can do a version with a smaller draft…but they are not going to like because they like fast boats.

Regarding price this boat in quality of interior finish is on the same league as the Halberg -Rassy. I can even say that I like more the interior of this boat.

The price is much nearer the one of a Rassy than the one of the Salona 38. The boat is a 39ft so it is possible that it will cost around the price of the HR 375. Last time I looked at the price, three years ago, it was around 226 000 euros. Off course, than you can join about 40 000 euros of extras and I would say that for us (with 20% VAT) it should cost a bit more than 300 000 €.

It would be slightly less expensive than a HR or a Malo of the same size.


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About the VOR I could say I hate to be right, but that would not be true.

Even Puma recognized it was on the wrong track because now is on the same course as Groupama, after losing more 10Nm. But they had taken the right option. If they had persisted on that course they would have been overtaken by Telefonica.

Now it is time for Puma to win some miles over Groupama on the night. After that Groupama is going to win again over Puma. The problem is that I think probably Telefonica is also going to win over Puma. Interesting

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Nice boats but a bit dated especially the Route 66.
Hi Paulo,

Yes indeed a bit outdated, but very futuristic for beeing an early 90s boat!

There were no Aspect 40 in this weekends regatta so I can´t share any info regarding performance, although the B&R 38 dropped by one night for a social visit!

We finished in 4th place after 4 days of racing with my brothers Arcona 340, a bit disappointing since we were in the lead after 3 days

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Then they made the Aventura 33...that I did not like. A bit like all the other fat cruising cats that I do not appreciate but now they propose the Aventura 43, an Offshore cat designed by Defline one of the most talented young French NAs.
I read a boat review of the Aventura 33 a year ago or so, and it apparently was not a very fast boat. Sure hope the new 43 is faster!

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The movie show also how well the Comfortina 39 sails in light winds. We have talked already about this German boat that is one of my preferred among the more traditional boats.
Paulo, the Comfortinas are actually swedish boats...

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Paulo, the Comfortinas are actually swedish boats...

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Well, you are right about that but...

The Comfortina will be built in Sweden, more specifically at the COMFORTBÅTAR AB in Gothenburg Kullavik close. The shipyard was founded in 1964 by Kennet Albinson and has rapidly developed into one of the leading yacht manufacturers in Scandinavia. ...

We, the COMFORT-YACHTS Germany GmbH & Co KG have, since 1988 a significant influence on the construction of Comfortina series. Direct contact with the boat builders, and our influence on the production and their quality means ... that we can meet your many of your wishes and ideas in the construction.


Fact is that you cannot even fin an internet page of the shipyard in Swedish (or at least I can't) and certainly the main page is a Deutsche one. I have talked about the boat with some German's and if they don't own the factory, at least they give that impression

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We finished in 4th place after 4 days of racing with my brothers Arcona 340, a bit disappointing since we were in the lead after 3 days

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Nice anyway. The Arcona 340 is a nice boat...a bit on the heavy side for racing but certainly a great performance cruiser.

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Now it is time for Puma to win some miles over Groupama on the night. After that Groupama is going to win again over Puma. The problem is that I think probably Telefonica is also going to win over Puma. Interesting
Right again on both things. Puma won over Groupama but Telefónica won also over Puma and is on top of it.

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Telefonica should be able to gain some more miles over Puma and Puma will also won some few over Groupama and then things should stabilize and it will be time for another tactical move...and we never know who is not going to follow the pack, I mean Groupama.

Things have been interesting last night:

The Volvo Ocean Race fleet found themselves in survival mode battling their way out of the eye of a violent tropical storm overnight, suddenly caught in lightning and gale force headwinds.

They thought they were lining up for a quick, relatively easy first stage of Leg 7 – but Tropical Storm Alberto had other ideas, quickly changing direction and turning the downwind sailing of Day 1 into a survival situation sailing straight into 35 knots of gale-force winds.

Only leg leaders Groupama escaped, benefitting from an early gybe east, but for the five chasers it was a different matter altogether as Tropical Storm Alberto swallowed them up, raining down lightning bolts all round the fleet.

In his latest blog from Azzam, Abu Dhabi Ocean Racing skipper Ian Walker describes the chaos.

“What a day,” Walker said. “The whole fleet with the exception of Groupama were caught out when the tropical depression Alberta changed course and moved south east over the top of us. We were trying to ride the windshift and extra wind just to the south of it but a violent windshift headed us straight into the eye of the storm.

“There then followed a chaotic 12-hour period as we ended up on the wrong side of it beating upwind in 35 knots. All of a sudden instead of a fast ride east to the south of the storm we were right in it and in survival mode with three reefs and a heavy weather jib.

"We came off some terrible waves but most worrying of all was the lightning. The lightning was crashing all around right down to the water and it didn’t seem possible our carbon mast could avoid a direct strike."
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