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I agree that a 6 year design is new. I'm careful to have a strong opinion about the new superwide sterns a-la-Vendee or Volvo. Example, Elan 350. For cruising, I simply cannot viualize them on hard seas, given light displacement too. Must wear seatbelts at the helm, not to fall about 6' vertical to the leeward deck! Good on a Bene Oceanis or Sense, though. Makes a kickass entertainment cockpit at anchor!. Now look at Comet, Salona, and J-Boats for fast & seaworthy shapes. The comet looks very fast and sexy, especially without the Formula 1 rear spoiler.

One idea for this thread: Paulo, you should post a new thread: Hiring Naval Architect in "Interesting Sailboats". The conversation could get very interesting beyond RM, B/D & SA/D. Hull shapes, payload…

Second idea: The year is coming to an end. THIS THREAD DESERVES A "BOTY AWARDS" SESSION, with categories and all.

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Yes , I agree that it looks better without the “Spoiler” but the one that would get the sun on his head is me not you.

To that list, I mean similar typed boats, you can join X-Yachts, Luffe, winner, Grand-Soleil, Italia yachts, Solaris and almost all Italian performance boats.

But I would not agree with you that beamy large transom boats are unsafe on hard seas. True that being high up on the deck is a disadvantage and the standard boats don’t come equipped with the stuff racers have to deal with it (support for the feet and safety belt) but you can mount it and even if those boats have that problem close upwind in all other sailing positions, specially dead downwind, they are easier and more stable than the type of boats you have mentioned. However it is true that they will be less comfortable upwind.

It is also true that you can go close to the wind at 80% of the boat potential and in that case the heeling of the boat would be a lot less than in one of the boats you have mentioned and you don’t have that problem anymore.

Regarding standard boats I have to say that none of the mentioned boats come standard properly equipped for bad weather and I mean fixation points for harness. One of the reasons that I took my boat to Rome (Fumicino) for the winter is to have it equipped with the right stuff and have the job made by Comar guys (the builders of Comet). As you know this is a cored boat with a cored deck and if the job is not well done it will give problems that can be rather bad.

I take the opportunity to recommend the services of Luca, the guy that is in charge of Gestinautica, a small shipyard in Fumicino near Rome. Not only he is good (he is the after sales man from Comar, the one that deals with any problems the boats have) as the prices for his work and for staying on a 9 month basis are very acceptable, not to mention that Fumicino is one of the two Roman airports with easy and inexpensive access from all Europe.

The place is also nice and has a supermarket at only 150m, take a look:





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New solo transat record.

Alex Thompson has done it again: He had skipped (alone) the Hugo Boss (Open 60) to another record and this time a big one, The Solo Transatlantic record.

He did not only beat it he smashes it by a huge margin: more than 24 hours.

The new record it is an incredible time considering solo sailing, just 8 days 22 hours 8 minutes.

Decidedly Hugo Boss and Alex likes to rock in high winds and steep seas.

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Paulo,

A thought I had the other day, this comes from an article the UK rag Yachting did a few yrs ago comparing an X34c to a Dehler34 when both came out. I'm wondering if DuFour is not shall I say detuning the rig so they are coming in just under the IRC division that breaks at .95 IIRC, ie the D34/34e being a .94 as you mentioned, so to be in the slower catagory on purpose, hoping that a slightly longer WL boat will make up for lack of SA/D. Xyachts in that article described doing this to a degree, so the X34 would not compete in the same division as the X35! Meanwhile, Dehler took the 34, and upped the SA/D etc so as to get about a .96-.97 rating IIRC, which put it in the next higher/faster division.

With this in mind......could Dufour be purposely sand bagging the speed on that line? Not sure why IMHO, but based on the article I can find online if you need to read it.......I'm inclined to say they have.

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Paulo,

A thought I had the other day, this comes from an article the UK rag Yachting did a few yrs ago comparing an X34c to a Dehler34 when both came out. I'm wondering if DuFour is not shall I say detuning the rig so they are coming in just under the IRC division that breaks at .95 IIRC, ie the D34/34e being a .94 as you mentioned, so to be in the slower catagory on purpose, hoping that a slightly longer WL boat will make up for lack of SA/D. Xyachts in that article described doing this to a degree, so the X34 would not compete in the same division as the X35! Meanwhile, Dehler took the 34, and upped the SA/D etc so as to get about a .96-.97 rating IIRC, which put it in the next higher/faster division.

With this in mind......could Dufour be purposely sand bagging the speed on that line? Not sure why IMHO, but based on the article I can find online if you need to read it.......I'm inclined to say they have.

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Maybe, but that is quite stupid for all except the ones that want to win on compensated time no matter if they are slow in real time. For that you can also buy an old and slow boat with a good rating. That's a lot less expensive.

Anyway for doing that you don't need to put more weight on the boat, you can just do that with a smaller mast and less sail area and that's a better solution in what regards making a good sailboat.

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Just look at this

It is spectacular the way Artemis was able to avoid Oracle. That is F1 speed!!!


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Stephens Waring & White

I love wooden boats and for many years I have signed "Wooden boats" a great magazine if you like classical boats. There are some expensive building techniques that can provide a low maintenance but generally if more traditional methods are used they need a lot of maintenance to remain in top shape (I know I have recovered and owned one for years).

If I had the money to pay to a skilled worker to maintain one and the money to maintain it in top shape I would probably fall in love with one. It is easy to fall in love with a wooden boat, they have a soul while plastic ones are just nice boats.

Among the ones that design wooden boats, with a classic look but a modern under-body Stephens Waring & White are among my top list. Just look at some of the boats:














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I think you have to give a nod to Spirit Yachts too....



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Classical fast boats

Thanks for posting, yes, Spirit yachts are very nice and fast:



But regarding those that are made in small series and are not absolutely one off, I just love this one. I guess that if I have the money I would be very tempted.








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New boat: Grand Soleil 43 and GS 39

Now that Dusseldorf is approaching there are more interesting new boats coming to the market (to be presented at the boat show) than the ones I can post. You could give me a help on that

Certainly an interesting one is the Grand Soleil 43, especially after the big success of the 39.

Before talking about the 43 some more words about the 39.

When testing the 39 the tester from Yachtingworld mentioned that the boat had a problem on the steering and rudder being to easy to lost control.

I found that rather strange. I have read several other test sails about the boat and nothing was mentioned. Also the number of boats sold seem to indicate that is a very good sailboat. Of course to really know it that is the case I would have to try it but face to the number of other testers that did not mention that and on the contrary say that the steering is very precise I tend to believe that is just that. A racing car has a very light and fast steering, that a casual driver may find to fast and dangerous, it seems to me that it is also the case with the Grand Soleil. Nothing wrong with that if you know how to handle it, in fact the kind of sailors that will buy that boat will be looking for a steering like that.

Of course, I can be wrong, as the other guys that tested the boat, some in muscular circumstances. Anyway, before buying one I would test sail the boat to see if I like it or not but I would say that the chances are that I would like it. That is my style of boat.

Here you have another test by a Yachts and Yachting. They tested the boat with 6 to 9 K wind (and to be fair they could not have noticed what was referred by the YatchingWorld tester, that tested the boat with more wind. They say about the boat:

It is hard to fault the GS39 for ease of use. It was a delight to sail...the boat has space beyond her size, and yet will be easily sailed by two on extended cruises. ...A stiff, easily driven hull and excellent, high quality sail controls...

Yachts and Yachting Magazine


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Now in what regards the new 43 and looking at its technical characteristics I am particularly impressed by the D/B ratio (35%) considering that with that ballast the boat will have a 2m draft and a highly efficient torpedo keel. The ratio is even more impressing if we consider that the hull is not beamy by modern standards, but it not also narrow (4m) and that will give the boat a lot of hull form stability. So this will be a stiff boat, no doubt.

The boat is also light (8800kg) and that with the big stiffness will make it a very fast boat specially upwind on a breeze.

Grand Soleil - Cantiere del Pardo

On the outside it looks like the big brother of the 39 (the designer is the same) and if you liked that one you will like this one. The interior looks just great to me. It seems to be a great performance cruiser.

We will see if the test reports are as good as on the 39 and if the boat is as successful as the 39, that will bring the Grand Soleil shipyard to a very solid position. Is good to remember that some few years back they were almost bankrupt and were saved by Bavaria that bought them. it seems that they have made a great job, better than the one of Hanse with Dehler, maintaining the boat quality and helping them to be competitive again.


Some photos and a video with the first one being built.




















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