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Traveler

Well you cannot have all things: A big bimini and a perfect control of the main sail.

On the Bavaria 36 I had an over the cabin traveler it was not very big, but I have seen smaller. They are always smaller to the ones on the cockpit and if too small they will be doing almost nothing.

The one on the Jeanneau 409 is big for an over the cabin traveler:



Assuming solo sail, you work with one of those differently, regarding boat control. In a gust you don't open the traveler, but the main sail sheet (from the winch). Basically you work always first with the main sheet and only after you put the boat on autopilot to go forward and adjust the traveler. With the traveler on the cockpit you use first the traveler and only then the main sheet and if needed again the traveler. You use a lot more the travel if it is near you on the cockpit.

Regarding not being able to use the over cockpit traveler with lots of wind I never had the problem. After 13K of real wind you have to use the winches but that's all.

To add a traveler on an existing boat I don't know, it will have to be very well done, the forces are really big. In many boats the deck is cored and you have to know what you are doing to install one and it will not be cheap. It makes a lot more sense have one installed by the shipyard.

Regarding efficiency, if the traveler is not very small it will provide a better control of the mainsail shape, regarding no traveler at all or the system Hanse and Oceanis use on the main sail. In fact a traveler separates too movements: Pulling the sail down (with the mainsheet) and open sideways the angle. without travel those two movements are not separated.

If it is worth the money and effort it depends on you and the way you sail. The difference in speed will only be some tenths of a knot, half knot at most. It all depends how much you like to sail and take the max out of your sailboat. Obviously many of the big brands think that is useless for the type of sailors that buy their boats.

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Rm 1260

Well, if someone likes to sail fast and to trim the sails, wants a fast boat with more space than a true performance cruiser and also a boat already more adapted to offshore cruising (cutter rig and all) I guess the answer in what regards affordable prices is RM.

The nice success they enjoy in France for years among cruisers that really cruise a lot has been expanding all over Europe, first to Nordic countries and it seems that now it is for UK, at least if the interest from sailors is so big as the one that Yachtingworld tester showed for the boat. I hardly remember a so enthusiastic review.

Well the boats are great at that is not new. When I test sailed one (the previous model) I was the day before with JPK in its shipyard to see the JPK 110 and casually tell him that next day I was going to sail a RM1200. He said to me it was a great boat for cruising and this guy knows one or two things about boats. I guess that he likes so much the boat that 2 years after he made a sort of more sportive RM, the JPK 380

Take a look David, this one has a traveler on the cockpit




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http://tv.yacht.de/video/RM-1260%253...e2ef877dcdf454

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ISAF sailor of the year

No, it is not about the sailor that is going to be chosen by ISAF (world governing body for the sport of sailing) as sailor of the year it is about ISAF incompetence.

If we compare ISAF with for instance FIA (Cars federation) we can see that in what regards autosport there are clearly defined levels of competitiveness, from amateur racing to several levels of professional racing that end on one side in the F1 championship and on other on the world Rally championship.

If a driver of the year was chosen among FIA drivers It would certainly be one chosen between the drivers of the top championships. It would be ridicolous that the driver was chosen among one of the initiation classes, like Karting or F3.

In what regards sailing it is a big mess, not only there are not a clear definition of the top classes as ISAF does not have managed to promote real international championships that define those classes.

But if we talk about top classes he will be talking about volvo Ocean race, America's cup and Vendee Globe. The sailors that compete there in many cases were world champions in dinghy classes in their youth before continuing a sailing carer that led them to the top racing classes.

Well, ISAF is so confused and I would say incompetent that not only does not promote sailing as a world competitive global sport as most of the times chose for sailor of the year sailors from the dinghy classes.

It was as if FIA nominated driver of the year a kid from the Karting world championship. That makes no sense but this year ISAF has made even less sense: Among the nominees the name of Franck Camas (that was proposed) was not maintained.

As you all know Frank Camas won the Volvo Ocean race on its first try. Well we could understand that other sailor won the price, but not being nominated?

That's a sympthom as things go wrong in ISAF. The nominees?:

Nathan Outerridge et Iain Jensen (Gold in 49er), Matthew Belcher et Malcolm Page (Gold in 470), Tom Sligsby (Gold in Laser), Lock Peyron (Jules Verne record) and Ben Ainslie (gold for the 4th consecutive time in laser and finn classes). Ben Ainsle has already been three times ISAF sailor of the year.

Well, going on with that FIA comparison it was like a Kart champion had won for 3 times the title of driver of the year while driving carts. Crazy isn't it? Well somebody should tell Ben Aislie that he has already age to leave the dinghy's and start sailing with the big boys on the fastest and top racing classes, in sailing boats not dinghy's.

Regarding ISAF, it is even worse, somebody should fire them for incompetence


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Alex and Hugo Boss

After beating the Atlantic record for Solo sailors, Alex Thomson is more then motivated for the Vendee. Take a look:

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Comet 41s

When I bought the boat there were a lot of guys that asked information about the boat. I had searched on the internet for a movie and I could only find one about the interior (that I had posted).

Well, now I have found one, In Arabic . I will poste it, a bit late, but better late than never. You can see some neat features like that one that permits the use of any of the front winches for both sides of the "piano" or the big locker in the back of the boat. Pity they don't show the sails locker that is a unique feature among 40ft performance cruisers.

Guys from Comar said to me that they are maintaining this model but they are going to present a two wheels version soon.


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Philippe Briand

Just look at this animal:



Bristolian, a Philippe Briand design and in my opinion the most beautiful til now.

Briand has other great designs and beautiful boats like the Mari-Cha IV and his responsible for the design of some of the best and more attractive production boats around: First 45 and 50; Jeanneau 409 and 439, 53 and 57, 45 and 50DS, OVNI 495 and ALubat 58 (among others).

There are on the water about 10 000 boats designed by him and I bet some of you never heard about the guy.

He is one of the best contemporary NA in my opinion. It is French and as most of French NA started as a racer and won several word championships sailing his own designs (the Half Ton Cup and the One Ton Cup during the 1980s)

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Ker 40

Jason Ker is one of my favorite boat designers. It is probably the designer whose boats are winning more especially if we consider that they are not many. The list of victories this year is impressive:

Ker Yacht Design

And one of the boats that is winning is the Ker 40, probably the fastest 40ft in real time. Take a look:



This boat is a lot faster than a 40class boat but it is a much more difficult boat to sail at 100% especially downwind and a good crew is needed and even so



The boat is so stiff, has so much ballast and stability that even after broaching, instead of being knocked down and stop (as most boats), keep sailing at a big angle of heel making it difficult to stop it and regaining full control

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Seamanship

Talking about the accidents and particularly capsizes, there is not needed a big breaking wave to capsize a boat if the wave get the boat on the right angle and right position. On this video we can see how many boats, including one being towed can make it to safety while just one is capsized and rolled. I don't think it has nothing to do with the type of boat, I mean this one was not more or less seaworthy than the others that had make it to safety, but with good or bad seamanship.

The guy is not only sailing too close to the shore, where there are more breakers, as it is sailing perpendicularly to the waves with too much sail.

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