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Some more videos: A guy with an Halberg-Rassy 43 doing the wrong thing and getting away with it:




a small Bavaria 32 well sailed in a gale:




and a guy that lost control of the boat ( no adequate sails) and is in trouble. Notice that is an heavy displacement boat that is supposed to be very seaworthy but the guy doesn't have any storm sail (he even has a bimini on) and the boat is just boobing around out of control at the mercy of the sea:



and these guys sailing safely in bad weather with adequate sails:


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HR 412; XC 42; Swedestar 415

The Halberg Rassy 412 has been a great media success and I don’t doubt that is going to sell well, take a look:




But I have to say that if I had the money and I was looking for that type of boat I would chose without any hesitation the XC 42. In fact the new HR 412 like the 372, comes as a HR response to the more modern line of X yacht cruisers but even if the XC is now several years old it looks more modern than the new HR, especially on the transom and on the two wheel set up against a single wheel on the HR.

In what regards dimensions and type of hulls there is not much difference, the beam is identical (4.10 to 4.11), the XC is almost a 1ft longer (12.81 to 12.61) and due to that but mostly due to almost more 985kg of ballast, the HR is 300kg lighter. Fact is that if we consider the boat without ballast, despite being longer, the XC is almost 700kg lighter.

This gives to the XC a much bigger B/D ratio (0.44 to 0.36) and as both hulls have a similar beam and the XC has more 11cm of draft, the XC is a much more stiff boat with a bigger RM and able to carry more sail.

Curiously on the Standard version, with Jib, the HR has more sail, 86.8 to 90m2, but the extra stiffness will give an advantage to the XC in strong wind. In lighter wind it will allow it to carry bigger Genoas and a bigger Gennaker making it faster. With the Genoa, that is an option, the XC will carry 111.3 m2 and can carry a Geennaker with 158.2m2. The total area of the HR with a code 0 is 130.9m2 and that is less than only the Geenaker on the X yacht.

The XC sailed with the right sails will be faster than the HR and the bigger difference will be in bad weather and strong winds where the much superior B/D ratio will be put to good use.

Both boats cost about the same, the XC has a stainless steel structure to distribute the forces of the keel and shrouds and both have an high quality interior. I like more the modern interior of the XC but that is really a question of personal taste.



But on this segment appeared recently other boat that probably I would have preferred to both the HR 412 and the XC42, even if I like a lot the XC 42. It is the Swedestar 415.

The Swedestar is not only cheaper (if we can talk about cheaper in what regards these boats ) as it is lighter, faster, less beamier and that will give it a more comfortable ride upwind with waves. The Swedestar has also a high quality interior and a nice one to my taste.

It has the same length as the HR 412 but the beam is only 3.75 versus 4.11m and most of all the Swedestar is 2900kg lighter, having a much bigger B/D ratio (0.43 to 0.36).

Even being almost 3T lighter the Swedestar carries more sail than the HR , both boats with jib, 93.0m2 to 90.0 and that would make it not only much faster than the HR in all points of sail and sea conditions as will make it a fast boat by any standards.

The only thing I don’t like is the aesthetic treatment of the transom but I guess I could live with that. That looks to be a fantastic boat. I am very curious to hear what the boat testers say about this boat.

Mr X can you tell us what are they saying on that test on the movie, I mean the general idea?









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Zeeman 41

For the ones that prefer heavy boats with a stronger modified fin keel and like classic looks I do not know anything better than the Zeeman 41. From the same designer of Puffin 27, the boat has gorgeous looks, fantastic interior, aluminium hull and lots of sail will make this boat a wonderful boat to own and a particularly good bluewater boat.

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What a great video and boat to wake up to.. My poor heart is racing! And she comes in Red! Yummy!
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This Swedstar 415 has a turbo on it ? It is amazing how fast she sails !
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This Swedstar 415 has a turbo on it ? It is amazing how fast she sails !
Yes, that's a very interesting sailboat. It will be probably at the Dusseldorf boat show and that is one of the boats I want to visit

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C-Fly

Take a look:



No, it is not some amateur doing experiments. This is serious stuff:

Creating C-FLY has required a diverse, highly skilled and dedicated team. The experience and knowledge needed is closely aligned to aerospace engineering and equally challenging.

The design team examined existing and potential concepts for high-speed sailing. Combining this analysis with a healthy respect for real ocean conditions, they evolved a synthesis of the best of current state-of-the-art multi-hull design with the benefits of a unique hydrofoil system.

One of the most challenging aspects of the design was to research and develop wave piercing hydrofoil technology that would meet the requirements of the canard layout. This part of the programme involved extensive tow tank research into novel designs for ventilated hydrofoils.

Computer based modelling tools were used to carry out a comprehensive investigation of fluid dynamics and structural performance, including developing bespoke VPP programs and six degree of freedom models to analyse the boat’s behaviour.

Until now C-FLY and its unique hydrofoil technology have remained confidential, with the project privately funded by the team.

With the success of C-FLY Coastal and the concept proven, the team are exploring new avenues for the technology, including a range of concepts from dinghies through to offshore ocean sailing yachts and powerboats.

The team believe the time is right to scale up to C-FLY Ocean, the full-size ocean going version to rival the giant offshore multihulls and to challenge l’Hydroptère, the world’s only offshore sailing hydrofoil.

The C-FLY team is now looking for a sponsor with a passion for sailing or record breaking, an interest in innovative technology and design, or someone who simply wants to be part of making C-FLY headline news worldwide.


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Well, that is something that deserves to be followed. The video is not very impressive but the concept seems interesting, who knows if they cannot develop it for commercial use.

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It is almost there, I cannot wait

I bet on this kid to be one of the main contenders, even to win the race. He is a kid among big men, but this kid is a great sailor.



Another contender, this one from Spain in an ecologic boat that uses only renewable energy.


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Continuing with the presentation of the racers, remembering that the race starts in some weeks and that amazingly (giving the economic bad moment) they have full house, with the max number of racers allowed: 20

This is the Swiss BERNARD STAMM with Cheminées Poujoulat, having a bad time giving an interview


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And this one is one of my favorite sailors, Marg Guillemot racing with Safran. This is the guy that on the last edition brought his boat ( racing) home without keel and finishing in 3th. He lost the keel offshore Brasil and made all the way to France without keel many times over 10k. when journalists asked him how hard it had been he smiled and said: well it was like sailing a big dinghy. I used to sail dinghies


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and these are all the guys...and a girl, Sam, of course


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Take a look at the 52 they are making designed by the same Na (Arjen Keer).







Now take a look at the 46ft I have designed more than 10 years ago and that I intended to have it built for myself (also an aluminium boat). Look at both interiors.






















There is a big coincidence in what regards design

Well, I find Arjen's boat a very nice one











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