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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Paolo .... has the Hanse 412 aft cockpit made it into this thread ? If not, let me know and I'll post it. For her size, she is for me a very nice design. I think perhaps more interesting than the Malo 40 or 43.

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Paolo .... has the Hanse 412 aft cockpit made it into this thread ? If not, let me know and I'll post it. For her size, she is for me a very nice design. I think perhaps more interesting than the Malo 40 or 43.

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Hi, Andrew,

Have a look at page 308 posts 3072, 3073, 3074.

Please quote at will and tell us what you think about the boat and if you agree with the expressed opinions. Welcome to the discussion

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two poles

Very interesting movie by Yachtingworld showing how you can sail downwind with two head sails (one to each side) using only one pole:


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Giraglia 2012

Another classic I miss during my summer cruising : Great classic that had provide us with great images.

You can choose between a TP 52, a Swan 45, a X-55, a GP42 and if you fell that those are boats only for rich guys, go with an "old" First 40.7: Padawan, they are having great fun, great sailing too. They are all flying low over the water













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Nordhavn 56

Yachtingworld tested recently one of the ugliest boats around:



I confess that I don't understand this boat. Ok, nothing wrong with Trawlers, but to put sails in one, I mean not one that is old styled and whose lines come from the time were fishing boats had sails, but a modern looking one with sails?

If someone has over a million dollars to give for a trawler why the well he wants sails? That thing will not give any pleasure to sail and will go fast motoring. I confess I don't get it.

If someone has over a million to give for a motorsailer at least he can get a nice one and I don't know of a nicer one than this one, a Bob Perry design. I think the boat has not been made yet and that is just a shame. A beauty like that should come to existance


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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I personally like the Bavaria 40 series.


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I personally like the Bavaria 40 series.
Well, like on the Hanse I have mixed feelings about the Bavaria 40. As you probably know I have owned a Bavaria 36ft (bought new in 2002) and globally I have only good things to say. Contrary to what most consider I think that it is a good endorsement the fact that Bavaria is probably the brand that sells more boats to charter companies.

Owners of big charter companies are very experienced in what regards boats and boats problems and durability and they know that the boats will experiment a huge amount of abuse. In fact in terms of use a 5 year old charter has the use of the average 20 year old boat. The fact they chose Bavaria means that they consider the boat more strong than the average mass market cruiser boat.

The mixed feelings: regarding 40fts, Bavaria, as Hanse is heavier than the French cruisers but also as Hanse the 40 has unusually big B/D (0.32). While the jeanneau has not a bad one D/B (0.30) but the Oceanis has only 0.27. That gives the Oceanis a low AVS (110). That could not mean nothing if you sail with good weather but it is not good for an offshore boat.

Anyway to cut it short I think that Bavaria is on the right way in what regards the interior (that is better on the new vision series) but I just don't like the Farr design on the outside. The boat looks fat and old. I don't think that the design is better or more modern than the one from the previous model (till 2009). Take a look:

The 2009 boat






The actual series






If I was interested in a new Bavaria I would wait one or two years till the new series come to the 40ft range. Not only the boats look much better has the interior is not only well designed but very practical.

The 40ft interior



The Vision 42 interior. I think that the boats to come will reflect this style.





The style of the future series: The first boat, the Cruiser 56




But you never know, the new Vision series have a B/D a lot lower than the one on the previous series. If you want to buy an used 40ft Bavaria I would say that the better boat is the previous Vision 40 that is a very good cruising boat and that should be find at a nice price now that they have new models.

Maybe you can even find a new one on stock and in that one you should get a 25 to 30% rebate. Of course that does not mean nothing if you sell the boat in some years but if this is the boat you are going to keep, it will make a big difference. This is a fast boat with a B/D superior to the one you find on the new series of Vision, a stiff boat.

The 40ft Vision







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Giraglia and Midle of the sea race

While you can follow in direct another big race here (Middle of the sea race):

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http://www.rolexmiddlesearace.com/entrants/

Some more interesting Giraglia videos and for the ones that like small performance cruisers, that a look at an relatively inexpensive one doing 22K I will let you discover the maker



and the overall winner (is also leading the other race):



and the race official report:









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Dehler 38

Well guys, Dehler launches a new 38!







LOA 11,30 m
LWL 10,40 m
Beam 3,75 m

Draft 2,00 m standard 2,30 m competition
Displacement 7 000 kg standard 6 600kg competition
Ballast 2 250 kg standard 2 000 kg competition
Mast length above WL 17,82 standard 18,20 competition

Total sail area
79,3 m standard
82,4m competition

Main sail 43,7/46,0 m
Furling Jib 35,6/36,4m (105%)

Only a foot longer than Dufour 36 Performance but 600kg heavier, at least in cruising spec. Hmm...

I like the Dehler 38R that should have been released a couple of years back better :





LOA 11,46 m
LWL 10,48 m
Beam 3,75 m

Draft 2,40
Displacement (light) 5 400 kg

Main sail 48,6 m
Jib 36,0 m
Code 0 95,0 m
Spinnaker (mast head) 129 m
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