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Paulo, if you have the time, please go to the website: ninfayachtsdotcom, and tell me what you think about the "calipso 36"

I am unable to post the link directly as i have to few posts in this forum.

A traditional looking yacht made from wood/epoxy.
Handsome boats... I suspect you'll find that Paulo will find them a tad too conservative

But nice looking work. Are you affiliated with the company?
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Paulo, if you have the time, please go to the website: ninfayachtsdotcom, and tell me what you think about the "calipso 36"

I am unable to post the link directly as i have to few posts in this forum.

A traditional looking yacht made from wood/epoxy.
Here is the link:

CRUISING BOATS

The 24 and the 30 daysailers were on my list to post when I had time

Contrary of what Faster thinks I like classical boats, not for me, or for me now but I really like them.

Regarding the Marsvinet 36 I have mixed feelings. you see, for me a classic boat, even a modern one, has to be absolutely beautiful and this one even if nice....well, that cabin is too high, that transom could be better designed and the interior even if of high quality is unimaginative and a bit heavy. I mean even for a traditional interior you need a good designer not just good wood and a good carpenter. Just try to see what I mean:











I like strip planking construction, I like the sail area and modern rig, I like the keel and the B/D ratio, I don't like the rudder, I don't like the beam: classic boat should be less beamy (It don't look like because the beam is not carried aft, but this is a beamy boat, more beamy than my old Bavaria 36). I think a tiller would be nicer on this boat but no doubt this is a boat that will stand out as different. But if I wanted a classic boat there would be others that I would prefer.

Now in what regards the smaller daysailers, it is other story. The 24 ft, that I hope to see in Dusseldorf, is absolutely gorgeous and the 30ft is a very nice boat.

Curiously the under-body of those two seems more modern than the one of the 36. Better rudder design and not so beamy.













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One of the races that I find interesting and I did not follow, cause I was sailing was the Transpac (solo racing).

I want to have a good look at it, particularly to see how a little Pogo 2 (mini racer-21.3ft) performed in real time against boats much bigger and heavy.

For now, some nice images:

2012 Singlehanded Transpac Start from Pierson Jacquelin on Vimeo.






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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Hi Paulo,

Yes it is beamy boat compared to the classics and therefore less pretty. However, the volume is better. Regarding the interior, i think it looks like a nice place to snuggle up with a cup of coffe on a rainy day.

Now, comparing this boat on a scale going from HR-Malø-Xc-Xp, how will she fare ?
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Re: Seascape 27

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If the speed performance of the Pogo 50 did not impress me on the Voile and Voiliers magazine test, the ones obtained with the Seascape 27 test did

Well, have a look:

6.6K speed with 10k wind, close to the wind.

8.6K speed with 10k wind, at 120º

11.1K speed with 12k wind at 120º


They had called it on the article: The Slovenia Rocket.

This boat, a bit less longer than the Pogo 8.5 represents the other contemporary way (without a big beam) designers are following to get very fast boats.

Let's compare some numbers:

Lenght: P-8.50 S-7.99 Beam: P-3.60 S-2.54 weight: P-2800kg S-1250kg Draft: P-1,75 S-0.85/1.95m

B/D: P-30% S-48%

I have no doubts that the Pogo is a much seaworthy offshore boat, made to cross oceans and easier to sail while the Seascape is a Coastal small cruiser, but in what regards speed and fun, I guess the Seascape is on another world


They say about the project guidelines:

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B]Seascape 27 offers a truly unique experience: the comfort of a 4-berth sailing boat with a separate wet room and toilet compartment, perfect for family cruising, as well as for inshore and offshore regattas, thanks to her superior sailing performance, versatility and easy handling. The boat is ready for sailing or transport in an hour or so, whereas her dimensions allow for trailer or shipping container transportation. Both innovations ensure the owner the benefits of easy accessibility to diverse cruising locations without the costs associated with year-round berthing....

The .. biggest problem that we noticed during our extensive involvement in yacht racing is: assembling a crew larger than 3–4 people is a real pain in the a**, not to mention that it is very difficult to recruit it from the members of our own families.

Therefore both our boats, 18 and 27, are designed to be shorthanded and family friendly. In practice that means that full crew for Seascape 27 in inshore races is 3 or 4, but she can easily sail double handed or solo for navigations or long distance races. Since she is light, the loads on the ropes are relatively low, and her deck gear is generously sized so that everybody can participate


Take a look at this. It is really interesting:

http://www.biehlmarin.com/mediapool/...tage2_ver6.pdf

The boat costs 56 500 euros, including French Vat and if you want 5 sails, an engine and a trailer, you can add about more 16 000 euros. A lot of fun for the money

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Thanks for posting the Seascape 27. This design has a lot going for it. Fast, trailerable, shipable in a 40ft container, lifting keel all helps to expand your cruising grounds. The price is also attractive. Hopefully they will have one in Duesseldorf.
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Hi Paulo,

Yes it is beamy boat compared to the classics and therefore less pretty. However, the volume is better. Regarding the interior, i think it looks like a nice place to snuggle up with a cup of coffe on a rainy day.

Now, comparing this boat on a scale going from HR-Malø-Xc-Xp, how will she fare ?
With all honesty I cannot answer to that. Even in what regards building quality I have been many times inside the boats you mention and I only have seen some photos of the boat you mention.

However those brands have an huge knowledge for having built many boats with similar systems (rudder, keel fixation, structure, union of the hull/deck) and know pretty well what works so when you buy a boat from them you would have a lot more possibilities that will be a well built boat in all major points and if the boat is a new model, you will only have to care with small details that they will probably fix anyway. If it is a boat that is the 10 boat they made from the same exact model, probably even that has been sorted out.

Of course the Calipso 36 can be a very well built boat from the beginning and they can have all this areas well covered and get it all right on the first time. You can have luck, you can know enough of boat building to see the project and follow the building to assure everything is perfect (I don't have that level of knowledge) or have a total confidence on the NA and on the people that build the boat and then that will not be a problem for you.

There are however some things that are probably for sure:

That boat will offer a superior customization and probably the interior will be a lot like what you want and you will have an unique boat.

On the negative side that boat will not retain the value as an used boat as any of the others. It cannot mean nothing to someone that will have this boat as his final boat and know that he will not sell it, but money is money and value is value

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Re: Vendee Globe 2012 dockside tour with Alex Thomson and Mike Golding

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Vendee Globe 2012
OH Yes!!!!!!!! I cannot wait

Look at Alessandro going fast with 40K wind as if it was nothing!!! it is a pity he has an old boat. I guess old or new, this guy is going to impress.

21 hours to the Start!!!


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G, absolutely fantastic stuff Thanks for posting.

I will not post anything for some time to give the guys the opportunity not to miss this.

Not only Mike and Alex are knowledgeable but full of humor. It is fantastic the amount of information you get about top boat design and technology.

On another side, did you recall the excitement of the school boys and girls that are making a tour visit with their teachers (end of last movie)? very early in the morning and they begun their class with a Vendee Globe visit: How coll is that?

The Vendee Globe site has also a page dedicated to kids. That's a pity that it has no translation to English.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Hi Paulo,

Exelent advice, if you find it difficult to judge this boat, it will be impossible for me.
I find the concept of a classic yacht with modern performance intriguing, but perhaps a risky and expensive path for someone with limited knowledge.

The Sydney GTS 37, looks interesting. Hope you will have more on it in the future.
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