New boat and I have to say I love this one: Italian style, that means less beamier than the French ones, more classic but not on the performances. The boat is very light, very stiff and very fast.
I like the look, a classic look mixtured with modern design. I like the interior and the performances. Probably I don't like the price.
The boat was tested by Toby Hodges from Yachtingworld magazine. He favors beamier styled boats, with the beam brought back and even so the guy was really impressed...with everything, from performances to the finish.
and look at the performance with very light wind. Look at the banner, sometimes they are probably sailing with 5K of real wind. Look how the boat glides and "makes" wind. Really impressive.
I have now heard of at least one SF3600 that is bought based on the plans alone. That person has been buying sf3200 every other year or so since out. I believe he is a dealer owner in the UK. He and another fellow seem to sail a lot of the SH/DH races in and out f the uk. This could be a hot seller for Jeanneau if as you say, a bit bigger, faster, easy to sail by one or two people. Along with a decent interior, coastal cruisers may like it.
The SF3200 does seem to have some issues being sticky in lighter airs, but get the wind up, she fly's, So hopefully since the designer owns a 3200, he has figured this out, and can design the new one to work in a broader wind range!
Take a look at these Images: Mini racing at its best. Nicolas Boidevezi on the last Les Sable - Açores - Les Sables. He won the leg Açores - Les Sables and we can see how. Jesus that is sailing fast
Out of topic but this is FUN and I want to share. It has not even sails but what the hell, it is a watercraft and one that makes you like a flying fish
I had posted already about the new Dufour 36 performance, I saw the boat on the Dusseldorf boat show and was impressed with the interior that is amazingly detailed for a performance boat and will make this boat a very nice cruising boat.
Posterior testing showed that this boat was not only relatively fast but very easy and agreeable to sail. A very interesting boat for someone that wants a faster boat than an average 36ft but want a true cruising boat with all details and amenities.
Well I have to say that even if that somebody seems to love this boat I would like very much to see a comparative boat test with several boats in the water. I have to say that I have more than some doubts about the compared sail performance of the Dufour. Yes the hull is very nicely designed but...the boat is heavy and has a comparatively small B/D ratio and that does not allow it to carry much more sail than the competition so I have many doubts that the boat would be comparatively fast in light wind or in a breeze with some heavy sea, where the bigger ballast B/D ratio would be more important.
Yes I believe the performances from 10 to 14K would be very interesting but out of that...I think the boat would be comparatively slow. But after all is not between 10 and 13K of wind that most cruisers like to sail?
Some numbers:
Dufour 36p sail area 72,1m2, weight 6400kg
First 35 sail area 72,5m2, weight 5500kg
Salona 35 sail area 69,5m2, weight 5300kg
Elan 350 sail area 68,6m2, weight 5350kg
Dehler 35 sail area 72,0m2, weight 5520kg
J 109 sail area 59,8m2, weight 4944kg
Comet 35s sail area 80m2, weight 5500kg
Archambault 35 sail area 67,5m2, weight 4450kg
well, I could go on, but I guess you get my drift I don't believe in miracles.
That looks like the issue with the 34/34e previous version. Correct "fast" design, but to much wt for the SA to move at a reasonably rate of speed. There is a 34 shoal keel of all things near me, I've beaten it boat for boat a number of times. Rating has been lowered to match its performance. Then again, when the owner usually has a crew of newbies out of a sailing school, with them learning........I still should not be able to beat it!
SF3600 plans/specs etc should be out at the Paris boat show per HERE! out of the horses mouth shall we say!
That looks like the issue with the 34/34e previous version. Correct "fast" design, but to much wt for the SA to move at a reasonably rate of speed. There is a 34 shoal keel of all things near me, I've beaten it boat for boat a number of times. Rating has been lowered to match its performance. Then again, when the owner usually has a crew of newbies out of a sailing school, with them learning........I still should not be able to beat it!
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Are you talking about one of the late versions, the one they call the first from the "performance" line?
That one was not too bad with 5400Kg for 65m2 of sail (not very different from what I had in my old Bavaria 36 that was 70cm bigger). Anyway the new 36 has only more 70cms and weights 1000kgs more.
That is a lot.
It is expected that new performance boats to be lighter than the previous versions, not heavier. To put things in perspective the Salona 38 that is 50cms longer weights only more 100kg than the Dufour 36 and was a much bigger proportion of the overall weight in ballast. If we consider only the boats without the ballast, the Salona 38 is considerably lighter.
The Dufour has 1900kg of ballast, the Salona 2270kg. The Salona 38 has 88.4m2 of sail and the Dufour 36 72,1m2. Both boats have about the same weight but the Salona has not only much more sail as also more RM. I really don't understand why everybody is saynig so well about the new Dufour 36 in what regards its sailing performance. I guess that if they tested the boat out of the wind rage were the boat should perform well (10 to 13K), especially if it was a comparative test, it would help to clear the water.
The 34 I am talking about, is a 34e but before the e was added to the 34 part of the equation. I've seen it sail faster than me, but at times it is slower, it should NOT BE! I've seen some threads on sailing anarchy with some saying the 34/34e is not as fast as it should be either. Kind of a bummer frankly. I like the look etc.....My boat from what I can tell has an irc of about .87 or there abouts. If both are equally sailed, I should not be beating it!
You can like it or not but the Sense concept changed the way the interior/exterior of a sailing boat was designed. The Sense series offers a living space that no other boat of the same size matches. True, it has fewer cabins, but for living at the marina or anchorage the boat offers a true loft and a great exterior space, all well designed in a true contemporary styling.
The 46 offers a lot, in what regards living quality. To entertain and receive friends it is just great. It sails well for what it offers and this one has even a decent B/D ratio (29%) for this type of boat and type of keel . That and the huge beam should give it a big stability and the ability to sail with little heel.
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