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I will post a link to a great Elan 350 movie. This one will give you a real notion about the boat and its capabilities.

The place is Portoroz in Slovenia and the boat is the same that I had photographed (and posted on this thread) when I went there to test the Elan 380. The color of the interior fabric (dark brown) is just awful. Give it a just discount. that color can make any interior look bad (takes away all the light).

YouTube - VTS_01_1.VOB

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Salona 37

On post 399 I have said that I am waiting with great expectation the announcement of the new Salona 38 and that, if the boat is up to what I expect , it is possible that my search to the boat that fits me and my budget would come to an end .

The boat is coming to substitute the 37, that is already a very beautiful and fast boat. My respect for that boat and its performance was recently enhanced when I had a look at the results of the 2010 World ORCI Championship, that was raced in September.

The 37 that was racing there was not, contrary many other boats, a disguised racing boat posing as a cruiser racer. No, this one was a true cruiser racer that even had mounted a webasto heating system.

The boat finished overall in 3th place on its division, but not being a racer, what interested me was not the boat performance around the cans and in compensated time, but the boat performance on the offshore races and in real time (the championship was composed by 9 races, 7 inshore and two offshore).

On the shorter offshore race, raced with 30k winds, gusting 40, the Salona 37 finished first on real time with 5. 59.41 (2nd on compensated), beating a sharp and fast Dehler 39 (6.22.11) and a X 421 (6.16.15).

http://www.fsc.de/fileadmin/Regatta/...a_-_Race_3.pdf

On the longer offshore race, raced with “breezi offshore conditions”, the Salona 37 finished first in real time (again): with 8.26.25 and (again) second in compensated time. The third boat in real time was the Dehler 39 with 8.46.28 (3rd on compensated ) and the Dufour 40 special finished fourth in real time with 8.47.44 (5th on compensated time).

http://www.fsc.de/fileadmin/Regatta/...a_-_Race_4.pdf

I have told you before, the Salona 37 is a fast boat…and I hope, the new 38 would be a faster one.











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What's happening Dude?
It's been like 3 days, & no update? You buying that boat or what?
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First 30 - Elan 310

Hello Nemier,

The First 30 is a fantastic boat and it represents a turning point on the First line, to more mothern boats and hulls. I am just repeting what French are saying about it but I am sure they are right.

Its price is a well deserved one and I am sure that you can not have nothing similar at that price. The Elan 31 is also a very good boat, with more interior space, but I it is more expensive here. Marty says that they cost the same in the states (not regarding to this boat, but generally). If that's the case with the 31, comparing with the First 30, give it a try. go inside each boat and have a test sail. I am sure you are going to like both






Regarding the 310 interior that you see on the movies, that is from a boat used for racing and it is "naked".

The cruising interior (with lots of storage) is this one:


Regarding new boats on this thread, I know of plenty of interesting recent boats that I have not posted here, but it's kind of boring to post and have no feed back, even if I can see that for each post I get 100 to 200 hits.

So guys, please participate more, give me your opinions, otherwise I will not be very motivated to post more.

Besides it's BIG RACE time and I am having a good time following it:

You like fast boats and racing, so join us here:

SOLO or DUO TRANSATLANTIC RACES



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Those are some great looking boats.
Are there any new full keel cruisers being built?
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Those are some great looking boats.
Are there any new full keel cruisers being built?
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IIRC, that's the Cape Dory 36 re-badged.
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Marieholm 33, Vancouver 28, Cape George 36

Thats a very fine looking boat, but I would have preferred it with a more modern underwater, I mean, with a fin keel and a bulb.

Ben, regarding your question, the European ones that used to have full keels on the 70's and 80's, like Halberg Rassy or Malo, all moved up to some sort of fin keel, a more substantial one, if compared with faster cruising boats.

I can only remember an European brand that had proposed a new line of full keel cruisers. That was four years ago? and I never heard of them again. I don't know if they managed to make any boat, but I am quite sure they are out of business. They were nice looking boats, but heavy, slow and expensive. I Doubt that there is a market for that kind of boats.

There are some builders that still make old designs with a full keel, among them the 27 ft Vancouver (now 28ft). The bigger Vancouvers have already some sort of mix between a full keel and a Fin.

Vancouver 28

But the one I really like (I want one of those when I am really old ) is the Marieholm 33. It is still made and it is an incredible beautiful boat. I have been inside of one and I can tell you that has one wonderful interior, really cozy. One of the nicest I Have ever seen.

That's a boat that would make any sailor proud.

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IIRC that CG is built a bit north or me, about 25 or s miles in Port Townsend. I would imaging there will ALWAYS be someone that wants a traditional design boat if you will, ie full keel. BUT, others would like the above WL to be traditional in look, but below WL, newer, faster style etc. Hence why Morris and Alerion seem to be doing well with there boats, traditional look above, below fast!

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Hi Paulo!
I had one more look to the RM yachts and think they look really interresting. This interior design looks very reasonable for long haul family cruising. Quite comfortable. I just wonder how fast they really are. Do you have an idea? As you know me I certainly constantly compare with the Pogo 12.50...
What I don't like so muchseeing e.g. the RM 1200 is the 'small' cockpit.
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