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Yes, farm out production of these boats on request. It is also possible that the customer will arrange for the construction of the boat yard. I have the best specialists available ... "REGA YACHT" Babicz & Krolikowski of Polish.
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And Alex have lost this time some miles and two places. My first idea was that he had troubles and then I checked the millage for the last 24: 19.9K and the millage om the last hour: 19.4K....odd, everything seems ok.... then I checked jean-Pierre average on the last 24h: 21.5K and Stamm over 24h:20.7K.

DRAG RACE I tell you!!!!!

and they were not the faster, François, that has been the faster and is all over Armel, has done on the last 24h and average of 22.3K speed and a new 24 hour world record for solo sailing: 532Nm in 24h that is over 22K for a full day and night, sleeping and all

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

For the first time I heard Armel complaining that this crazy rhythm is too high and that they have still a long way to go. I guess that the strategy of this 5 is to bet on a drag race till there is only one surviving boat (or the others slow down) because I don't believe the boats (or they) can take this rhythm for much longer.

One of them was complaining that he could not stand up on the boat, he had to move on hands and feet, other was complaining he just managed to eat peanuts and energy bars and I wonder what is to try to have some rest on those conditions, having to have always a look at the boat and sails, not to mention the wild ride.

Look at Armel going and consider the François is going faster


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Armel is starting to show concern about this mad drag race:

Armel Le Cléac’h (FRA, Banque Populaire):

I think I’m doing great in terms of performance. I can see MACIF on my AIS. My average speed is about 20 knots but he’s obviously been faster. Congratulations on his 24-hour record! 23 knots of average speed is really something, maybe he’s taken a bit more risks. Same for the skippers right behind, but so far they’re doing ok. I’m focusing on my own race, not the others’, and there’s still a long way to go anyway.

Christopher is right, life on board in such a context is not really easy. The deck is drenched, there’s humidity everywhere, even inside, because you’re very wet when you get in. It’s pretty cold, too. And this is all quite stressful, even though the sea isn’t too rough. It’s difficult to sleep, you always want to keep an eye on things.


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The results of the ARC does not say much about the performace of the boats, most crews are cruisers, not racers, family crews that will enjoy the journey, not to compete, with heavily loaded boats.
Sailing between Thailand and Europe with a crew of Chilean racers we never use the autopilot and there was always someone who was tuning the sails, so we kept close to the maximum speed that the boat could give. We went two or three days after a flotilla of cruisers with which we share in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives and arrived a day ahead of them. We kept the spinnaker all the time, even did spinnaker changes as the wind, while the cruisers reduced sails at night.
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The results of the ARC does not say much about the performace of the boats, most crews are cruisers, not racers, family crews that will enjoy the journey, not to compete, with heavily loaded boats.
Sailing between Thailand and Europe with a crew of Chilean racers we never use the autopilot and there was always someone who was tuning the sails, so we kept close to the maximum speed that the boat could give. We went two or three days after a flotilla of cruisers with which we share in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives and arrived a day ahead of them. We kept the spinnaker all the time, even did spinnaker changes as the wind, while the cruisers reduced sails at night.
Yes I agree with you partially. First there are two ARC, one that is a real race (racing division ) the other that is just cruising with some racing in mind (at least for some) because there is also a classification. Most cruisers don't like to be overtaken more even if there are a classification and all boats from the cruising division are loaded.

They are all cruisers and they are going with the boat to the Caribbean and will cruise there for a considerable time. Regarding loading it is to be expected that a smaller boat would be much more loaded in a long voyage (regarding max load) than a bigger boat, for instance, a 38ft regarding a 55fter.

Here, like in any sailing situation, even racing, the quality of a crew is a very important factor but even with the best crew a slow boat will not go fast.

The point I was making is that a small cruising boat well sailed (and not raced, otherwise they would be on the racing division and I don't know if you noticed that I had separated the posts about each) can go as faster as many not so well sailed much bigger boats, but not all, it has to be a good small sailing boat. It happens that most modern production boats are good and fast boats sailing with trade winds.

Even so the performance of that Southerly 38 is only possible because it is a very well designed sailboat. It is an heavy boat with a swing keel, both things detrimental for performance. Only a very well designed hull permits the boat to be where it is, regarding all other boats, and a good crew too.

Do you looked where the boat is? It is called Little Pea. First on the side turn out the boats from the racing division that had sailed out two days earlier.

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The performance Is so unbelievable that I had to check if the boat had sailed out at the same time as all the other cruisers...and this is not even the type of boat a cruiser that likes to race will buy.

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Ponds not Euros. That is a fine bigger than the value of some boats
I had talked already that Marc Guillemot was guilty of disrespecting the colregs ( Dover Strait Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS) here is the fine and the full story:

Today, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency issued the following statement following the prosecution of French sailor Marc Guillemot:

'Marc Guillemot, skipper of the French racing yacht Safran, has today appeared at Southampton Magistrates Court and fined £9,381 and awarded costs against him of £4,125 for travelling the wrong way in busy traffic lanes off the Kent coast.

'On 6 June 2012 the Safran left Lizard Point in Cornwall, in an attempt to beat its own previous record set in 2011 for the fastest sail around the United Kingdom and Ireland.

'At 11.43pm on 6 June, the Safran was seen by Dover Coastguard travelling in a North Easterly direction in the South West lane of the Dover Strait Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS). On the 7 June at 4am, the yacht failed to proceed in the appropriate traffic lane in the Sunk traffic separation scheme.

'During its passage, several merchant ships altered course to avoid a collision with the yacht. Dover Coastguard made a number of attempts to contact the yacht with no response. Eventually the French Coastguard got in touch and pointed out that the vessel was travelling the wrong way in the TSS. Guillemot replied saying he was trying to break the record for sailing around the UK and Ireland and would not alter course.

'In total, the Safran travelled 28 nautical miles in the wrong direction in both separation schemes. This was in breach of Rule 10(b)(i) of the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972.

'In passing sentence the Chairman of the Magistrates, Mr. John Johnson said:

"We have heard this afternoon that Mr. Guillemot is an experienced and confident yachtsman. However, Mr. Guillemot did travel the wrong way in the shipping lanes. For the offence on the 6th June, we fine £13,000 reduced by your early guilty plea to £8,700. For the offence on the 7th June, a £1,000 fine reduced to £666."

'Kaimes Beasley, Channel Navigation Information Service Manager at Dover Coastguard, stated:

'"The Strait of Dover Traffic Separation Scheme is one of the busiest in the world. Mr Guillemot was reckless in his navigation during the hours of darkness not only in the Dover Strait TSS, but also in the Sunk Traffic Separation Scheme. He put his crew and other vessels at significant risk in order to try to beat his previous record"'


Well, one for the safety on the sea. I guess thatknow sailors, racing or not are going to pay more attention to the traffic rules.
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Here it is the promised report on the Hanse 325 the boat that is making an amazing ARC. We have already talked about the boat that was the first Hanse that had a better designed interior, less ikea even if I I don't really like the plastic decor on the nav station.

The boat is relatively heavy with 5200kg an high efficient bulbed keel with a draft of 1.83m and a ballast ratio of 28%. It has 3.30m of beam and a modern hull designed by Judel/Vrolijk and a sail area upwind of 51.35 m.

It is a good boat but probably not the one that I like more on this class.

I would prefer the Marc Lombard designed Jeanneau 33i, a bit bigger (9.74 to 9.55m) weighting a bit less (4645kg) with a slightly bigger draft (1.9m) , a similar bulbed keel and most of all a much bigger B/D ratio (32%).

The beam is similar (3.34m) and that with the superior draft and the much bigger B/D will make the jeanneau a more powerful boat with a better stability. The sail area is similar (51.5sqm) so the Jeanneau will be a faster boat with a better stability.

Both the Jeanneau and the Hanse are capable boats, boats that pass therequirements for certification on EC offshore category even if not by a big margin. These boats with an experienced sailor and in the right season can safely make ocean passages even if they were not designed with that in mind.

However they are very good and safe coastal cruisers and can sail with relatively rough conditions.

Let me point out that this is a very different boat than the slightly smaller (but very different) jeanneau 30i that was tested against those older boats by a German magazine (video some posts back). I don’t think those oldies would have done better than the 33i, even in adverse conditions, like the ones on that test. The jeanneau 30i has a smaller draft and only 24% of B/D. I don’t understand that big differences since it is also a Marc Lombard design. The 30i is just a Coastal cruiser, contrary to the 33i that has an offshore capacity.

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Absolutely incredible, Armel and François are just racing like if they were finishing the race at sprint not as if they were at the middle of it. I don't understand how they can keep with this rhythm. That is absolutely insane I don't remember anything like this. They are going so fast that they have already passed the next gate. I guess that on the last two days they have made more than 1000Nm

And so Armel comes back. Anything you can do François I can do too. Well, almost. Le Cléac’h the Banque Populaire skipper is back on top of the standings this evening after making a 530 miles 24 hours run up to 1800hrs UTC this evening. And since the afternoon rankings Le Cleac’h has done ten miles more than François Gabart to retake the lead by a matter of 8.5 miles.

A match race is developing then towards the Amsterdam gate and this evening, with the speedos still red hot, it is Armel who has bounced back, also retaining the preferred berth to windward in the strong NW’ly.

They cannot post fast enough to cover the race. Since the afternoon François managed to go even faster and overtook Armel again

Crazy stuff!!!!! : "There is about 35 to 40K wind, I am doing between 22 and 28K. Not much sail out. I try to cool it down but the boat goes faster and faster" says François. Take a look and see how the boat shakes and vibrates. How the hell can day sleep or rest on that thing? And the guy seems fresh as if he was just starting a new day after a good night's rest. These guys are just incredible!!!!

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And those two continue their mad sprint they are practically side by side, now is Armel that is leading with only 1.2Nm advantage. It seems nobody else can sustain that mad rhythm and slowly these two are isolating themselves at the head of the race.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

I had a good laugh with this statement made by François:

"My current speed is 19-22 knots, it’s moving a lot on board, there are violent shocks sometimes, but you get used to them. Same for the speed, you get used to what it feels like on board at high speed and after that, you stop noticing, you can really get used to everything…"

Si I guess he is replyng to ny question about how can they live like that

François Gabart (FRA, MACIF):
These are amazing moments, the boat is gliding so fast and effortlessly, I’m so happy with these past two days, the conditions are just great.

Nothing is easy, though, the Vendée Globe is one of the hardest events in the world, there are technical problems and dangerous situations. But in the middle of those, you have magical moments, like what I’m experiencing right now. There have been difficult times, too, in the Crozet gate area, you’re alone on the boat to change and set sails, you’re exhausted, the conditions are bad and they keep changing and still, you just don’t progress that much so it’s very frustrating.


Armel Le Cléac’h (FRA, Banque Populaire):
François and I have seen seeing each other on our AIS for 24 hours now. It’s a nice way to check my speed is good enough!

Winds will get stronger and stronger throughout the day, I’ll need to manoeuvre and get ready for the depression and tomorrow’s conditions in order to be as efficient as possible. There’s an intense fight for the lead of the race, even though we may sound quiet and relaxed on the phone. But our daily life isn’t that easy, you know.

Our routes are quite similar, with François, I’ve actually seen François this morning as his boat wasn’t far from mine. But you can’t stay outside too long because of the water splashing all over the place.

So far we’ve been quite fast compared to four years ago, but then the icebergs and the ice gates have changed a lot of things so it’s difficult to say what the winner’s final time will be.


Even Frank Cammas (recently elected French yachtsman of the year) is really impressed with those two guys and he is not one easily impressed:

Franck Cammas (FRA, skipper):

I’m in awe of what the Vendée Globe skippers have been achieving lately, their speed is amazing, it’s an incredible performance for solo sailors. In 15 years, the monohulls have caught up with the multihulls from the 1990’s in terms of performance. I just can’t believe François Gabart actually said he had never slept as well as he did yesterday! He’s unique. .

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On a side line, Sam Davis had made under jury rig her way to Sables d' Olonne...She had 15 000 people waiting for her and 60 boats to escort her on the water....What can I say...I bet some were sailors bit it seems most were just common people, lots of kids and women too, all wanting to say : We love you Sam, better luck on the next time


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Jeff, you are very much welcomed at this thread. I would like you to post and comment more. Please feel free, even if you don't agree with me about something, to express your opinion. I am not the kind of guy that does not like that and I try to have here an open view regarding the different type of boats, one not much marked with my own preferences.

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Paulo,

Thank you for the invitation. I have come to really appreciate your contribution to SailNet and from conversations with the other mods it is clear that I am not the only one who reads this thread when I have the time, enjoys seeing what is happening beyond my provincial world, and considers this to be one of the more valuable member generated, ongoing discussions on this site.

I too wish that I had more time to contribute to this thread, but as a small business owner in this current economy, I find myself focused on the office more than I might wish, with wildly less time to participate in the internet.

What time that I have for the internet, tends to get used on moderating Sailnet, or at least trying to hold up my end as much as posible since it is my fellow modertors who frankly do most of the heavy moderation lifting around here.

I do read your comments when I can. I think that you do a good job of explaning your position on things. I do not always agree, but I also think that most times, whatever disagreement that we may have, perhaps derives from our invidual philosophic viewpoints about what we want a boat to do and where we place our priorities rather than a fundimental disagreement on matters of fact.

So for both of our sakes, I can only hope that I have more time to participate.

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