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Re: Linjett 34

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What strikes me about the Linjett, is that appears to be well constructed, nicely finished but with very dated hull form that is loaded with gimmicks like the under deck jib sheets or the power winches which seem out of place on a 'performance cruiser' of this size.

It is also quite heavy for its length and a bit undercanvassed. Looking at the sailing clip, it appears to have adequate stabilty, but is not especially stiff (as naval architects and yacht designers use that term in the States).

Boats like that are a bit of a puzzle. That hullform is something you might expect out of the mid-1980's and there are lots of mid 1980's boats around with similar hullforms (The 35' Wauquiez Pretorien comes to mind). That period was not a highpoint in yacht design. But for whatever the reason, the Linjett used that hull form but has gone through and updated the rig proportion and deck hardware.

It is a bit of a mystery to me.

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This is not a slow or old designed boat. I make mine the words that were used to describe the boat when it was presented by the magazine "yacht" to its readers:

"A Modern but traditional yacht the Linjett 34 relies on simplicity of operation and consistent adaptation to the waters of the Scandinavia Archipelago.

The shipyard of North of Stockholm developed a concept line of fast sailing yachts. The new 34, designed as the others by Mats Gustafsson is no exception. The 34 follows in design the 37 and 40 foot big sisters with a more modern hull shape a wider transom a more efficient keel and relatively more sail area ...."


Regarding the sailing potential, when the boat was presented on a popular Swedish sail blog race oriented someone remember the very good sailing performance of the previous mode, the Linjett 33:

"Remember the Ornörunt 2008 race where a Linjett 33 in light breeze 2-4 m / s tacked on all "new" racers Prima 38, Ridas 31, Melges24, first 36.7, First 27.7, Arcona400, Dehler 29 and Dehler 36 . A small express was well the only one that hung on reasonably, Linjetten sailed fantastically well ...As an all-round boat the Linjett is a sailboat that does not require eight men on the side for going fast."

And that's why I say (as he is saying) thst the Linjett 33 is a stiff boat and by Stiff I mean what most Sailing NA mean by stiff, including David Gerr director of one of the main American NA schools: A boat that can carry a lot of sail area regarding its wet surface, a powerful boat.

Regarding the boat being heavy I don't think so. For instance a Salona 34, a light boat weights 4900 kg, the Linjet weights 5500 but if you consider only the weight of the boat without Ballast the Salona weights 3500 and the Linjett 33 weights 3300kg. In fact while the Salona has a ballast of 1400kg (B/D 29%) while the Linjett has 2200kg (B/D 40%).

If he consider that the Linjett is more beamier than the Salona (3.45m to 3.35m) and has more form stability, the superior added RM provided by the much superior B/D is a measure of how stiff the Linjett is, considering that the Salona 34 is not a tender boat.

Regarding performance the Lynjett is probably just overall a bit slower than the Arcona 340 and that means a fast cruiser, even a performance cruiser. I believe that if overall it will be a bit slower, on a blow upwind that big stiffness will probably make it faster on that particular situation.

http://www.salonayachts.com/document..._salona_34.pdf





I don't think that the hull " is very dated". It is a typical hull of a boat typed upwind and the shape is not very different from the one of the J122 or the It 10.98, both modern and very efficient boats with modern hulls. Yes it is a traditional line but one that is followed by many contemporary performance cruisers. I would not call it very dated.

Regarding the electric winch it is certainly an option that the owner of that particular boat required. Regarding the under deck jib sheets, it is a common feature in almost all modern cruisers, particularly performance cruisers and has besides the visual advantage to present a clean boat, permits you to work in the boom or at the head of the mainsail without stepping on the lines or trip on them.

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It is the first time that i heard about Linjett , do you know the average prices? they look like the same quality as the SCANYACHT.
I would say that the quality is slightly superior regarding Scanyacht or at least its used value is. This is from all Swedish boats the one that retains better its value. It's an old brand that started in the 70's.

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Linjett 34 sail performance

I looked a bit better at the Linjett sail performance and the best way to do that is through the handicap rating tables.

On Sweden they use an handicap called Lys. The bigger the rating the faster the boat.

I found the Lynjett 34 rating and some other known boats, American and European, not many because they race mostly Swedish boats. I guess I was right in saying that the Lynjett 34 is a bit slower than the Arcona 340 and in saying that the Lynjett is a fast sailboat, a performance cruiser.

The Lynjett 34 rating is between 1.23 and 1.25

Comparing with old performance cruisers or modern mass production cruisers:

C40 - 1.20.... HR 36 - 1.15....Dufour 385 - 1.21.....Arcona 36 - 1.22....

Najad 371 - 1.09....Sweden Yachts 390 - 1.24.....Swan 36 S&S - 1.13....

Swan 371-1.20 .....Swan 411 - 1.25....C&C 33 - 1.13....

Comparing with modern performance cruisers:

Dehler 34 (2002) -1.25....Arcona 340 - 1.29.....First 36,7 - 1.29....J/92 - 1.26.....J/105 - 1,29


S/Y Springer: Ny Linjett 34 med estimert LYS på 1,23 -1,25

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Pirates and Pirate Ships.

Yes Pirates for this Sunday some great documentary movies about Pirates and Pirate ships.







and if you want to own a Pirate ship, this one is for sale:



After seeing that I saw that a lot if guys like to build their own pirate ship. They say ot os for the kids but I I guess they dream too much with pirates








Unfortunately a real replica ended like this last year:



and you have to consider that these "boats" are not easy to handle:


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Unfortunately a real replica ended like this last year:

But La Grace is been repaired now.

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Nice Though boat!!!

It was really a pity to lose her. She was built only a couple of years ago:



La Grace - holiday on the pirate ship

"La Grace is a replica of a brig from 18th century. The original ship of Augustine Herman (Augustin Heřman in Czech) bore this name (which roughly translates as “Graceful”) during merchant and exploratory travels around Europe, United States, Caribbean and across the Atlantic Ocean. La Grace was also renowned for her corsair activities. Especially well-known is her victory over two Spanish barques carrying sugar, tobacco and wine near the coast of Guatemala....

Its construction is based on blueprints published in 1768 by Swedish Admiral Fredrik Henrik af Chapman in the book Architectura navalis mercatoria. Chapman is credited as the first naval architect who laid the foundations of the modern shipbuilding while relying on precise blueprints."



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Jpk 10.80

Announced a new racer from JPK, the new 10.80, that will join the 10.10 that is one of the most successful racers of the last years, on IRC3 and on the Transquadra (solo or duo Transat). A dual proposal racer, full crew or short crew, obviously with different rigging options.

The boat follows the lines of the JPK 10.10, is also a Jacques Valer design and has a very interesting feature clearly pointed to solo racing: the possibility of having two different interior positions (according with the tack) where is possible to have a good look out, lateral and frontal.





Some dimensions:

Lenght: 10.80m
Beam: 3.65
Weight: 4800Kg
Draft: 2.20m
Sail area: 72Sqm

They don't give the ballast but that weight on a 10.80m race boat points to a considerable ballast.

Given the success of Jacques Valer on all his racing boats the chances are that we are looking to another winner. The boat looks good, at least to me

Talking about the JPK 10.10, look at this one winning one more race:



That's ZULU and the guys sailed it at 24K. 24K on a 10m boat....that's fast
CHAPEAU:




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Vendee Globe

Good and really bad news:

Jean-Pierre resumed racing, has good weather ahead and I believe he will have no problem in finishing in 4th place.

Javier Sanso Capsized and is waiting rescue. Not much details about it but I guess he lost the keel.

This Sunday morning 3rd Feburary around 1049hrs UTC two distress beacons of ACCIONA 100% EcoPowered, skippered by Spanish solo sailor Javier Sanso which is racing in the Vendée Globe non stop solo round the world race were triggered. The alarms were received at 1052hrs UTC.

At 1049hrs UTC the boat was positioned at 31° 59.00 N 27 26.24 W, so 500 miles west of Madeira and 360 miles south of the Azores island of Sao Miguel

Weather conditions in the area that Sanso was sailing were a NE’ly wind of 15kts. The boat was racing upwind in a moderate trade winds swell. Prior to the incident all was reported to be well on board, only minutes before Sanso had e-mailed a daily report to Race Direction.
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Immediately Race Direction in Les Sables d’Olonne, the MRCC Ponta Delgada (Azores) and CROSS Griz Nez tried to contact the IMOCA Open 60 ACCIONA but received no reply.

MRCC Ponta Delgada then requested an aerial reconnaissance of the area by plane. A C295 plane was on zone by 1630hrs UTC. On arrival they found Javier Sanso in his liferaft. Sanso made hand signals and smoke signals (smoke hand flare) next to his capsized boat.

At 1650hrs UTC this information was confirmed to Race Direction by MRCC Ponta Delgada.

At 1750hrs UTC an EH101 helicopter was dispatched from the Azores island of Terceira heading to the zone to effect the rescue of Javier Sanso and is expected to be in the area by 2300hrs UTC.
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A little quizze:

It is made by a big factory, it is a recent boat and it has between 45 and 50ft. What the hell is this?

















a HINT: they really need to hire a top interior designer and a very good NA would help too but I guess that you can see that
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Drascombe: Don't need to be rich for go cruising and having fun.

This post is dedicated to the younger guys that follows this thread.

One of the characteristics of younger guys is that normally they don't have much money. When I was younger that applied to me also. So I bought an old boat, recovered it and went cruising. The boat had no interior and I had only a compass. That did no prevent me to explore a good part of the Atlantic Portuguese coast with it and it is not an easy coast. Most of all I had great fun.

Well, you can do the same, Egmont Friedl has. He picked a famous inexpensive open boat, a Drascombe and just circled Italy, I mean all of it. It seems great fun to me.

Of course, first you need to learn how to sail properly and navigate without instruments, a kind of an almost lost art.

some pictures:





the story:

Mediterraneo

And he is not the only guy going faraway on that little boat:





A better look at the Drascombe long boat:



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