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Re: Interesting Sailboats

While we were away we ran into these guys fitting out this boat before heading down to Melbourne for the start of the Melbourne - Osaka two handed.



The Boat | Funnelweb

Mind you, no matter what they say .... in a pigs eye is this my idea of a good cruising boat.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

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While we were away we ran into these guys fitting out this boat before heading down to Melbourne for the start of the Melbourne - Osaka two handed.



The Boat | Funnelweb

Mind you, no matter what they say .... in a pigs eye is this my idea of a good cruising boat.
And that make sense. You are 90% of the time in your boat at anchor, these guys seem to be 90% of their time in the boat sailing and some of that time racing. It would be expected that what fits your bill is not what fits their's. Let's accept what they say and that for them this is a surprisingly good cruising boat.

It is a rare thing when a person can say, “ if I was building another boat today I would build funnelweb all over again”. She represents the culmination of twenty years of experience gained from living on, building and generally messing about in boats.

Working closely with Robert Hick, who is the designer and builder, we were able to launch a boat that has proven to be fast, responsive and a safe passage maker.

After having completed 26,000 miles she is currently being totally refitted in readiness for her next big adventure, the Melbourne to Osaka and Transpac races.

With five watertight bulkheads, and six water ballast tanks, her interior is small by comparison to other fifteen metre yachts but she is surprisingly comfortable for a crew of six.

Although a true racing boat she has also proven to be equally at home as a cruising boat on many of the return delivery trips from various races most notably on her return from Japan after the 2003 Melbourne to Osaka visiting many exotic pacific islands and giving her crew at the time some truly memorable experiences.


The Boat | Funnelweb

In fact I know a guy (a very experienced sailor) that is circumnavigating with the family (young kids) on an adapted 40class racer. He chose that boat because it is fast, safe, has lots of space and is affordable comparing with it has to offer. Off course this makes only sense because he is most of the time sailing. He is not the only one that is doing extensive cruising and circumnavigating on an adapted 40class racer.

It seems crazy to you that someone can say that this sailboat is an interesting cruising boat and I understand. In fact that has to do with the way one uses the boat. Even for me that sail 30 or 40% of the time I am in the boat (counting night time) that is a too extreme boat for me in what regards interior coziness but I have no doubt that sail a lot more time than me.

Some in this thread, like Eric, choose for cruising, boats that can be compared with that one (even if more cruising friendly) and they are not used for racing as that one is also used.

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the boat looks well even if the option of the two wheels seems pretty ridiculous on a 33ft boat but I guess that has to do with what part of the public want.

But this is a strange boat, I mean it is too close from the 35ft and I bet this boat as to do mainly with racing in handicap. It is possible that this boat is just a shortened 35ft. The Dimensions are much similar and only the Overall length is very different (10.40 to 9.99m).

In what regards water length the difference is very small (9.16 to 9.04m) the Beam is almost identical (3.36 to 3.35m) the same with weight (5300 to 4950kg) ballast (1200/1500 to 1100/1480) and sail area (69.50 to 69.50sqm).

The good news is that the boat is not as expensive. They announce a nice price for the first boats: 79.900 euros.

http://salonanordic.se/wp-content/up...-Salona-33.pdf

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Some of you are awaiting pictures and video’s about our first experiences with the Pogo 12.50.
Please excuse me for the clicks, I didn’t succeed to obtain embedded codes for this material .

Presentation:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...S/DSC_0005.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...b/DSC_0002.JPG

Really flat bottom...
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...LQ/berging.JPG

Upwind, still nice & easy, but remember what Paulo teached us about wave drag. Believe me, he’s right!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...A/SANY0428.MP4

So we much prefer this :
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...M/DSC_0057.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...A575KT/spi.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...%20%287%29.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...urz50N/zog.JPG

Watch the changes of the apparent wind, that’s why the NKE autopilot also provides a true wind mode.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s..._/SANY0457.MP4

Around 10 knots, no stress…
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...t/SANY0455.MP4

Entering Dover (yes, we obtained permission ), just to show you the rigged inner forestay and staysail, just in case.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...7/SANY0520.MP4

Olympic pic in St. Catharine’s.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...%20%282%29.JPG

Sandwich hull + carbon mast + laminate solent + dyneema halyard + performant stopper = extreme rigidity => don’t push it, or take the consequences .
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...e/SANY0437.MP4

And finally a small tribute to my beloved Club .
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...mE7Nw/vlag.JPG

Kind regards,

Eric
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Wonderful shots, Eric.... you must be pleased. Looks like a great ride!
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6s...A/SANY0428.MP4
Eric, thanks for posting.

Lovely boat

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Ps. I tried to post your pictures but without success

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Nice boat Eric, one of my favorites.

What was your trip across the channel like?
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You're a magician, Paulo .

Thanks, Faster and Steve .
The delivery of the boat from Brittany to Nieuwpoort was a wonderful introduction to Pogo cruising (see also post #2579 on page 258 and post #3585 on page 359).

But we're still learning, not only about handling a (very) civilised class 40 , but also about antifouling its enormous wet surface .

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... just to show you the rigged inner forestay and staysail, just in case.

That's funny because I am rigging a similar system to my boat. I would not go to the point of having it rigged all time but if stronger winds are on the menu I intend to have a bag, like the one you have, attached to the lifelines and ready to rig. In fact I have already the bag.

Some questions:

I guess you have a winchard tensioner. What is the model?

What kind of links you have between the sail and the stay? A traditional metal clip on system or a textile connection?

You have a reef on that jib?

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Paulo,

Take a look at this one for a tensioner. I'm sorry I have not had one for many years but felt they were the perfect stay sail/solent tensioner. I think it was made by Schaefer. It is Item # 12 on this website

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