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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I have an interesting question about sailing yachts, the reference MK II, what does it mean?

The swedish brands : Regine has Regina 43MK II, Halberg Rassy has 43 MK II.

Is there any special meaning for it?

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

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It most probably means that the hull has not been changed but there have been changes made to the deck and or the interior layout. Sometimes it can indicate minor changes to the original hull tooling like the addition of a swim step aft. There is no standard definition for what "MkII " means.
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Hi Bob! You are very welcomed here. I agree. Yes, around these parts that it is also what it means, a second version of a previous model and as you say normally the hull remains even if the keel, ruder and sometimes the transom are modified.

Today most brands prefer not to use that denomination anymore and just pretend that a MKII is a completely new boat. That's better for marketing: Most will prefer to have a completely new boat than a second version of a previous model even if sometimes the hull is still quite modern and up to date in what regards performance.

sometimes with the same hull some brands manage to produce quite different looking boats, in the interior and on the outside look. That is the case for instance regarding the Salona 38 that could be called 37 MKII instead.

I talked with them when they were designing the 38 to know if they were using the same hull or not and after what seemed to me an hesitation they opted for the same hull and asked Ker to design a new keel and ruder. The reason was that the 37 was still winning races at top level (and is still a very competitive boat) so they decided to modernize the look of the boat, give it a better interior, work on the appendices rather than having a new design that could perform not so well.

But as most that buy their boats are not racers and don't know that the 37 is still a very fast boat, if they called it 37MK II, they would not seel it so well, so....the "new" Salona 38 appeared on the market



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Jean-Pierre Dick new boat.

Remember this guy and this boat:



the guy that on the Vendee Globe sailed his Open 60, after having lost the keel, from offshore Brazil till France and even so made it in 4th place?

Well, it seems he liked to sail without a keel. This is his new baby:









The Program:

Grand Prix Guyader: from 3 to 6 May 2013/ Crew-manned race in Douarnenez

Armen Race: from 9 to 12 May 2013/360 mile offshore race starting at La Trinité-sur-Mer

Route des Princes: from 9 to 30 June 2013/ Crew-manned race round Europe/5 legs: Valence - Lisbon - Dublin - Plymouth - Morlaix

Transat Jacques Vabre: from 3 November 2013/Doublehanded transatlantic race between Le Havre and Itajai (Brazil)

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“When I see this new boat, I feel great pride," says Dick. "This feeling reminds me of when my first Virbac-Paprec was launched in 2003. I love these transitions, these moments when you start out on a new adventure. Multihull sailing with a crew demands other skills. It is going to be a challenge and I will have to learn fast.

“The next days will be used to discover Virbac-Paprec 70. We are going to slowly raise the pressure by training regularly before the first race: the Grand Prix Guyader in Douarnenez. I am surrounded by very skilled people. I like them all. We are going to learn to know each other at sea, and to be strong together. It is my wish that this project be of high human value!”






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18ft skiff sailing

Talking about speed sailing one of the boats that comes to mind is 18ft Skiff Well not that skiff is exactly a type of boat and the origins of the name are really curious (from Wikipedia):

""skiff" comes from the Middle English skif, which derives from the Old French esquif, which in turn derives from the Old Italian schifo, which is itself of Germanic origin (German Schiff). "Ship" comes from the Old English "scip", which has the same Germanic predecessor".

Eh! a popular name that circulated in many languages of old Europe and after all has the same origin as Ship.

The word exists in Portuguese almost in its original Latin form: Esquife. It means two things, on its original meaning, the small boat old sailing ships carried as a "dinghy" that also served to pull the ship when there was no wind and as a word for coffin, maybe because the shape is similar or maybe because on some old European cultures sailors and warriors were "buried" in boats.

Anyway the word today means also fast sailing boats and not only today:



Today is also a spectacular class race. Some recent movies that show that, I mean spectacle :





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Skiffs

Thanks for that skiff action brings back fond memories of wild rides on breezy Saturday afternoons in Aussie 14 footers as they were called then - actually 14 foot skiffs (late 80's) and a real development class compared to the northern hemisphere 14's which were playing around with hull shapes, but thats about it.

Back then the Aussie 14's were twin trapeze, wide wings, retractable pole and 300 sq.ft asym kites - and staying upright put you in with a good chance of a podium finish ! Hulls were "professionally home built" and were transitioning from cedar core to foam and we all had fun experimenting in the garage with different lay-ups for test panels of E & S glass cloths, WEST & various foams - by todays standards very little reliable technical support.

By the mid 90's the 14's had converged globally and gone with the Aussie fast-is-fun version - really a precursor to the 49er generation.

Just writing this makes me want to go back & do it all over again

a current version below - doesn't look that different but probably 30% lighter now :

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I know it's probably been posted before, and it's not quite new, but this one would be a blast to cruise long-term in:





It's the Paradox 60 (actually 63 feet).




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"Peter, who likes talk about his boat and not himself, has been trying to build a cruising multihull for over a decade," Lewis explained. "Paradox was built from ORMA 60 parts, with the basis being the last Fuji 60, which was designed by Nigel Irens. But since Paradox is a cruising boat, her mast is just 85 feet instead of 100 feet, and she's 48 feet wide rather than 60 feet wide. But she only displaces eight tons. Compare that with the 18 tons of the catamaran Phaedo, our Voiles competition, which is the lightest and fastest Gunboat 66 ever built."

What's Paradox like inside, we asked, assuming she was completely stripped out. "She's beautiful!," responded Lewis. "The captain's quarters are under the cockpit, there are bunks in the floats, she has a dining room table, a stove and refrigeration, hot water, a nav station — the whole works. I first saw Paradox after the conclusion of the 2011 Caribbean 600 that I did on Phaedo, but I didn't pay much attention to her. Then last October, while on my way to pick up my kids near Waukegan, Maine, I saw this gray trimaran sailing at warp speed — 20 knots — on port tack up the coast. It was Peter and his captain, Olivier Vigoureux, who were headed to Camden to visit the best restaurant in Maine. I gave chase, but was never able to catch them. Intrigued by the tri and her owner, I emailed Olivier, but never heard back from him. So I emailed Nigel Irens, and through him met Peter and ended up down here racing on a Caribbean sailing holiday."

Paradox did her second Caribbean 600 this spring, as well as the Heineken, BVI Spring Regatta and the Volies, so she's been one of the more active racing boats in the Caribbean. "We're now all headed to Crossroads for detox," laughed Lewis. "Actually, I'm headed back to Maine, where I hope to get my peas planted. "

We hope to have a report from Aschenbrenner on Paradox in the near future.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

In Spanish "esquife" means "botecito", very small boat, in a derogatory way.
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In Spanish "esquife" means "botecito", very small boat, in a derogatory way.
Just for the fun of it I made a search on Google images with Esquife and I could find very few images but I found two meaningful, one that sustain what you say regarding the derogatory meaning in Spanish and the other regarding the old Portuguese meaning, as a tender of a sailboat. The boats were long for allowing many rowers to give it the ability to move the mother ship without wind.





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The term "skiff" comes from the name of the inventor, Archilbald W. Skiff.
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