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Amazing use of space.. and with a view from the master stateroom too. the degree of finish - even in the 'engine room' is truly impressive. Even the 32 footer - very nice.

BUT... I have to say if you're going to put such blocky, large hull windows in it should be mandatory to finish the hull in a dark colour that hides them.

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Nothing I've yet seen has swayed me from my ultimate sweetie the Luffe DS43. Yeah, OK, so 43' is pushing the envelope but she is long and lean, a small 43'er. Dollars blow her clean out of the water so unless something seriously wonderful happens to the Wombat exchequer she will remain a wet dream.

If I have a criticism of Regina/Nordship/CR it is that in order to get that bloody great cabin aft the helm position ends up very high and very exposed. it is I suppose one of the quandries for a designer....give 'em headroom under the cockpit or keep the cockpit sole down low. Me I'd prefer shore cabin up front and quarter berth down the back.

In virtually all of them JRD's remark re inside steering is of course valid. Yes, we can have a joystick and engine controls at the chart table but most have very limited view forward.

I'll not post it here cos its not a modern go fast design but in the Deck Saloon thread have a butchers at a Brewer PH similar to JRD's. I'll post it in an hour or so. That boat has real inside steering with adequate view forward. I do acknowledge that in this day and age the wheel itself is redundant.

Paulo, if you do find a pic of the Arcona DS I would love to see it. I suspect she would be a beautiful boat and worth seeing. I'd figure outrageously expensive.

Fast.....I'm not sure I get the need to move the galley to the saloon. I can appreciate the ventilation issue but don't see that as insurmountable. Other than that the only advantage I see for an upstairs galley is giving the cook a view and for me that is an overated feature. Oh yes, remember that I am more likely to be the cook on the Womboat than not.

ps - Paulo....I see the MadDogs referring to plans to visit Australia but not that they intend selling the boat.

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If I have a criticism of Regina/Nordship/CR it is that in order to get that bloody great cabin aft the helm position ends up very high and very exposed....

Paulo, if you do find a pic of the Arcona DS I would love to see it. I suspect she would be a beautiful boat and worth seeing. I'd figure outrageously expensive.
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ps - Paulo....I see the MadDogs referring to plans to visit Australia but not that they intend selling the boat.
One of the reasons to have a high helm position is because you need to be up enough to be able to look over the cabin and the cabin is a lot more high than on a non DS boat.

I will post Arcona DS pictures on the thread about DS. I have it on other computer in my atelier (I think). Yes, it is a nice boat, but the Cr 40 is nicer. I agree that the Luffe 43 has no comparison , but the three boats are on the same league in what regards sailing. Even if the Luffe is faster, these boats are much faster than any other DS that I know off, with the exception of the Dehler 41Ds that is also a relatively fast boat.

Yes, they want to sell the boat and buy a bigger one:

For Sale: CR 400DS pilothouse sailboat

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Arcona 460 movie

OK, enough of super comfortable rational boats .

Let's talk about SEXY boats I have found a great movie about the Arcona 460, the big brother of the Arconas that I have posted before we started to talk about Deck Saloons.


That's right, this is the kind boat that keeps a grin in your face

The video is part of a boat test by Yachting Monthly magazine.

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Paulo- I looked at the link for the CR 40 that is for sale. Apparently they were VERY unhappy with the workmanship and lack of support, both the factory and the local dealer that they bought it from. Looks like a beautiful boat to me although that slab of a rudder looks awfully exposed IMHO. Terrible website.
Here is a link to where they talk about it:
Why the poor rating for CR Yachts of Sweden

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That's clear that there was some disagreement between them and the builder.

They talk of design flaws but they say that its a nice design. They talk about incompetent building practices and plain stupid construction techniques but they don't say of what they are talking about. They say that they are going to post it on line, but I cannot find anything.

I had never heard anything bad about the builder or his boats and I don't understand how possibly CR could survive doing bad boats. Cr is a Swedish firm and their boats are probably more expensive than other Swedish high quality boats like Halberg Rassy, Malo and more expensive than other Nordic boats like Arcona. How can they survive building very expensive boats in a market where the high quality is the rule?

I am very curious and I would like to know more, but I don't think it's fair to make unsubstantiated claims without explaining of what they are talking about.

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I agree and I also looked for more information but each link I followed ended up being bad. It would be nice to know what issues they had and why they weren't addressed by both the factory and the dealer. Apparently they felt good enough about the boat when it was all said and done to spend quite a few years on it and at least a couple of winters in Alaska.

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...and planning to sail it to Australia. The guys are crazy if they plan to do that in a 40ft with so many problems

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...and planning to sail it to Australia. The guys are crazy if they plan to do that in a 40ft with so many problems
Paulo,

They do say that while they were/are unhappy with the builder and their US agent they did resolve all major problems by their own means.

If you look at the For Sale notice they also seem to be saying that they now plan on selling the CR in America and heading off to Australia and Europe in a different boat.

There are inconsistencies on the site but I'm thinking they are simply a bit slack in updating the blog and had posted their intention to head for Oz and Europe before deciding to sell the boat. Thats my interpretation anyway.

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There are inconsistencies on the site but I'm thinking they are simply a bit slack in updating the blog and had posted their intention to head for Oz and Europe before deciding to sell the boat. Thats my interpretation anyway.
Well, if they posted the intention to head for OZ and Europe before deciding to sell the boat, then they intended (at that time)to sail that boat to Australia

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