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Lemsteraak, Duch traditional lateral boarders.

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I would like to see the same race with simple dacron sails on the X... The Aak uses cotton...
I don't think they are using cotton sails on the Lemsteraak. In fact that boat is pretty much a racing Lemsteraak. Do you think I am kidding? They race the dam thing:







and I am glad they do. In fact Dutch have an admirable naval tradition and they have made an wonderful job in preserving their old boats and traditional shapes. Many of those boats are very nice cruising boats and give excellent live aboard boats.



They are adapted to the swallow waters of Holland and besides their lateral boards (that work well since they are canted in the right direction an remain vertical with the boat heeled) they have other interesting characteristics for instance their bow and the almost flat hull:




That bow does not make you remember something from the modern racing world?

They are so popular that they made them of steel now:



Anyway, they are wonderful boats and sail well but they are not a match for a modern cruiser in what regards performance and that is not what they are about. They are about living and cruising with style a certain style that has its roots deep on the past on their naval culture and tradition. It feels good to live and cruise that way. I know, I had done that for a decade in a Portuguese traditional sailing boat.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I know they race them, but usually with cotton sails due to class rules.
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I know they race them, but usually with cotton sails due to class rules.
Well it seems that you know more than me regarding that. Maybe that is some sort oh high quality grade cotton. I had cotton sails and they did not fold like that but they can have some sort of waterproffing treatment that makes them behave differently.

As you know sailmakers can make sails with polyesters that look like traditional sails.

Maybe someone that speaks German can take any doubts about that. I am sure they reefer to that on the movie.

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A polysail would be as authentic as a new car at an oldtimer rallye... The Aak in the video has started a huge discussion wether the class rules are strict enough or not.
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Agreed! That Dehler 38 is BEAUTIFUL. Odd. I find myself much more attracted to boats with a modern styled interiors with a good blend of materials (wood, fiberglass, metal, etc.)......But I would not lean towards a house with modern styled interior. Go figure. .....i must be a gemini.
I have to concur that the Dehler 38 is a gorgeous boat, and jumped to the top of my list of dream cruising boat.

Until, that is, Paolo brought to my attention the IY 13.98 from Italia Yachts. Obviously in a slightly different class than the Dehler (i.e., €€ vs €€€), but with attention to detail that simply takes things to the next level. I also found myself instantly liking the aggressive, angular styling of the port lights, which adds to the boat's contemporary aesthetic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to figure out how to find $416,000 (USD).
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IMOCAs board of direction decided to use standard riggs and standard fixed keels on future open 60s...
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New IMOCA rules (Open 60 boats)

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IMOCAs board of direction decided to use standard riggs and standard fixed keels on future open 60s...
I guess you got a wrong translation:

The majority decision reached was an integrated solution, with a one-design mast and keel. The other elements of the boat must conform to the rules of stability, speed, length and construction materials. The boats will remain at 60 feet in length, with a bowsprit of 1.8 metres and the one-design keel must meet the specifications that were previously agreed, with particular note to the rule applying to a single piece of forged steel (Inox) for the keel blade

Imoca - La classe IMOCA choisit son futur bateau, OSM annonce le programme des courses

There were already talks about this and I agree. less in what regards the masts.

That is the solution that most of the NA involved in designing those boats proposed. A box keel t equal to all the boats as a way to get faster information that can lead to more reliable keels. A single piece of forged steel does not mean that it is not a canting keel but that other materials, like carbon, titanium or welded steel foils cannot be used.

Regarding the mast, it will be not a standard mast in a sense that you can find it on the market but a one design mast, equal for all. Regarding that I have some more doubts. There were different solutions used and the reliability was not that bad. That will stop mast development. I hope they opt for a solution with the shrouds on the hull and not on those huge lateral arms.

Anyway they have to be careful because previous boats will be allowed to race as they were designed and they risk new boats to be less competitive.

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I see, I misunderstood...
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New interesting sail technology: Velacore

No, it is not one of those exotic laminates that costs 3 times more than a normal sail and will last 5 times less, this thing is interesting and I cannot see that it would make a sail much more expensive and the advantages are for all types of sails and materials. Besides it comes in a kit and can be applied to existant sails.

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Velacore Kit addition:




I cannot post the movies:

Visual

Obiettivi

The performance advantages looks real on paper:

Prestazioni

and it makes sense:

Teoria

it comes in kit and can be applied to any existent sail:

Kit

All this seem to good to be true but I cannot find any holes in the theory. I can't see why it should not work.

Anybody has a say about this?

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Elan 400

Not a proper test except if we talk about the shipyard guys testing the boat, but some nice images of the boat on the water and some nice details:







some details: look at the size of those keel back plates



more details, a very nice one, a bathing platform that allows the transom to be nicely designed, I mean look at how this transom look light when compared with the one from the Dehler 38 with his huge white ass (they are actually about the same size but the visual effect is dramatically different).



A nice interior even if with a smaller galley than the competition:



and I have already posted her the NA, Rob Humphryes, talking about the boat but that is so rare that I will post it again:

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