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Bavaria 33 and 56 the new line.

Some recent nice movies with the Bavaria 33. This one and the 56 are the two first models of the new series. I would say this one seems to sail pretty well and looks a lot better than the previous boat. The next boat to be produced along this line will be 37 and then the 40. We can have an idea about the next boats (I have posted already about the 37). The designs are by Farr.








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Pogos unsuitable for cruising or voyaging.

If you guys want to have some fun you can look in here:

Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

I have been posting there but I give up

As almost all know Pogo are not my favorite cruising boats, I find them great for the trade winds but that is not what I do and I prefer boats more comfortable upwind at the cost at a more easy and fast downwind sailing.

Even so I am far away from deny the evidence that Pogos are very successful very fast cruising and voyage boats and that there are a lot of sailors for which they are the perfect choice. They are the perfect cruiser for some around here and the long waiting list shows that there are many wanting them.

Besides what concerns voyaging even on the ARC you can find Pogos and most Pogo sailors would stay out of the ARC while crossing the pond.

But evidence and reality seems not be be enough to convince most that on that thread sustain that the Pogo are completely inappropriate to voyage and are not able to carry the load needed for voyaging.... reality apart of course because they voyage and even the small 8.50 have crossed the pond many dozens of times

Meanwhile let's have a look at what the cruising Pogos are about:

"Structures builds fast sailing boats for short-handed offshore sailing.

The team at Structures is comprised of people who are passionate about boats, both racers and cruisers, who have dedicated themselves over the past 15 years to the development and build of these pure modern and enjoyable sailing boats, accessible to all.

The design and development of our boats are “led” by racing:
the search for performance under sail over a very wide wind range, ease of use, technical and material reliability, safety, feel on the helm, stability under autopilot, balance under sail.
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Pogos have won a significant number of offshore races including the Mini-Transat, the Transquadra, the Québec Saint-Malo, the Route du Rhum… We are proud of this, as we are of the hundreds of Pogos cruising trouble-free all over the world for the sole pleasure of their owners and their families and friends."


Our concept | Chantier naval STRUCTURES, constructeur des voiliers POGO (site officiel) :: STRUCTURES Shipyard, construction of sailing boat POGO (Oficial website)



If you guys, the ones that charter boats, want to have a blast in one while cruising they are available in Greece, the 12.50 and the 10.50, here:

fastsailing.gr - Pogo 12.50 - European Yacht of the Year 2012! - News

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Salona 35 and 38

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There was a suggestion that Salona were in trouble financially and that this had been the case for some time. I don't know how reliable this was. Could be speculation. Surely though you would support your own boat show in your own country?

I was wanting to see the Salona 35 and 38.

A difficult industry to make money in for sure

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Maybe they were so busy making and selling boats that they had none to expose. I found these nice photos of these three delivered in Sweden days ago:

Two 35 and one 38. I thought you would like to have a look. Beautiful pictures, nice boats


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Regatta news: Nice sailing images

In French but the images are great.

Some help:

That little cat sailed wildely was attemting the sail record around Corsica. They had a 3 hours advantage but they damaged the sail and had to give up.

The nice Open 60's images regards the alteration of the rules that I had already noticed here : basically the same mast and keel for all.

On the extreme series Alinghy is leading.

On the America's cup the last round was won by Oracle in match racing and by Luna Rossa on the regatta (all boats together).

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Twin keel against deep mono keel.

RM tested on the water the two keel solutions and the results were accordingly what had been previewed by Marc Lombard with the help of CFD studies.

We are comparing not only two different keels but two boats with different drafts, 1.65m for the twin keels and 1.90m for the mono keel. The results, has I have already said are amazingly good, considering the difference in draft. I don't now if with 1,65 draft a mono keel would have and equal performance to the twin keel and it would be very interesting to have that data, but we have not.

Twin keels offers other advantages as contributing to a slightly better comfort and sea motion as well as giving the big advantage of being able to beach the boat for cleaning the antifouling or repairs. All this at a very slightly cost in overall speed.

I have talked about some few tenth's of a knot, here you have the full story (the wind speeds are misaligned: the first one goes with the first boat speed)





These are the previewed results by Marc Lombard for the RM 1060 that real testing on the water showed to be accurate.

We can see that, as it was expected, the worst results are with very weak winds where drag assumes more importance and with smaller angles of heel. Close to the wind at 36º TW with 12K, with probably one keel vertical the difference is of only 4%. That means that on that situation, while the Deep draft mono keel boat is doing 6.76 the shallow version with twin keel is doing 6.5.

On most conditions and points of sails the difference is 1% to 2%. That, considering 2% and 7K will represent a difference of 0.14K. The difference is much smaller than between a boat with a fixed propeller and a folding one.

That explains why RM recommends the twin keel version and why almost all the French buy the twin keel versions. In France the concept is well understood, it is on the boats made to export that they sell more boats with mono keels. It seems that abroad they are more suspicious about their advantages

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

The lost in VMG upwind is a lot for me, but for a cruiser probably is less important. And the option to beach the boat is very attractive for people who sail in large tides areas like the Chilean south.

High tide in Chiloe, Chilean south:



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Yes, but the VMG directly upwind is always small. I an happy with 4K. If you consider that speed and the average of 5% you will get a difference of 0.2K in an hour or 1K in 5 hours of cruising. On other points of sailing the difference is much smaller and dead against upwind many cruisers will just turn the engine on. Big difference to a racer but not much for a cruiser.

But we should not forget that we are talking about two different drafts, drafts with a 20cm difference and that is a lot. Put there a single keel with 1.65m and it seems to me the loss in performance would be bigger.

I would love to see a comparison between the mono keel and the twin keel both with the 1.90m.

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VOR, great images:

The Vendee is gone, the VOR is coming and just to anticipate the race, some great images from the past:



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