Interesting Sailboats - Page 405 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree1265Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #4041  
Old 05-07-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 681
Thanks: 5
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 2
robelz is on a distinguished road
Re: Jpk

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Jean Pierre Kelbert (JPK) is a fascinating guy and one of the more knowledgeable boat builders I know. He does not only build performance boats and racers from many years as he was himself and accomplished solo racer besides he is used to tailor made rigs to the needs of each top racer (solo) or crew.

He can not only make anything you want as he can give you valuable advice about everything that is sailing boat related. You will understand better your needs how they can be satisfied and the better options regarding the boat, keel and rigging options after talking to him.

He is a passionate guy and someone with whom it is a pleasure to talk too. If you are interested in the 38 or that kind of boat I advise you to contact him and go to Lorient to have a talk with him. Even if you don't buy a boat the talk what what you are going to learn from him deserves the voyage.

He will explain everything about the different keel options. I suspect that they are not making more /or any 38 with a swing keel due to extra costs. probably that will add 20 0000 euros to the boat price.

And if you go there, please post here what you have learned

Regards

Paulo
My GF spent half a year in Nantes for a study exchange program and desires to go back there on vacation maybe next year. I told her, that the only possibility to go there is taking me with her and visit Jean-Pierre. I am so curious about this guy after reading what you say about him (and said often before as far as I remember). The 38 FC seems to be a little underpowered in light airs but otherwise a perfect compromise for me especially with the low draft twin keel.

Why isn't there any (real) test on this boat that is at least BOTY in France...? I did not even find a polar...

I am so grateful for you posting here. I learned so much the last months.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4042  
Old 05-07-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Re: Jpk

Quote:
Originally Posted by robelz View Post
My GF spent half a year in Nantes for a study exchange program and desires to go back there on vacation maybe next year. I told her, that the only possibility to go there is taking me with her and visit Jean-Pierre. I am so curious about this guy after reading what you say about him (and said often before as far as I remember). The 38 FC seems to be a little underpowered in light airs but otherwise a perfect compromise for me especially with the low draft twin keel.

Why isn't there any (real) test on this boat that is at least BOTY in France...? I did not even find a polar...

I am so grateful for you posting here. I learned so much the last months.
Thanks. It is for guys like you that I post. It is a pleasure to know that my passion is useful to others.

Regarding JPK, I had the pleasure of talking with many interesting builders, many passionate about what they are doing and always interested in hearing experienced sailors and their suggestions but with JPK is more than that: Not only he had received the experience of many top racers (solo and crew) as he is himself an accomplished solo racer so with him if you let him talk and say what you want, he is going to suggest you solutions that come from a huge personal and shared experience, that includes cruisers that like fast boats.

Not only you fell that he has pleasure in discussing that with you as he is willing to modify what is needed to fit the boat to your needs. He understand that is important.

Regarding test sails on the JPK 38 the boat has been extensively tested by the two main French sailing magazines. It was even elected boat of the year by one of them in an election that is a very curious one because it involve not only the magazine boat testers but plenty of readers. They all tested sailed the boat against many other sailboats (with 40k winds).

http://www.voilemagazine.com/2012/09...013-le-podium/

http://www.voilemagazine.com/tag/voilier-de-lannee/

http://www.jpk.fr/modules/kameleon/u...vm_38_2013.pdf

http://www.jpk.fr/modules/kameleon/upload/VV502-199.pdf

Regarding the boat having not enough sail area unless you are racing the boat and are a very good sailor, I am pretty sure that is not the case (regarding the sail area). Remember that today in light winds you sail with a code 0 or a geenaker. Anyway if you really interested in the boat, with plenty of time I guess JPK will be able to ask to a client to let you aboard to test sail the boat. If you are not used to these type of boats you should try it before you buy one to see if that is really what suits you.













Regards

Paulo
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by PCP; 05-08-2013 at 06:12 AM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4043  
Old 05-07-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Douarnenez and the traditional sailing boats

Last year was party time in Douarnenez for sailors with traditional boats. Next Fête is in 2014. I always wanted to go there with my old traditional boat but the Biscay bay was probably too much for a 80 year's old boat not in prime condition

Temps fête Douarnenez - Temps fête Douarnenez

I have no more a traditional boat but I love them and one day I will be there in someone's boat. that is just a great ambiance.

Some movies of last year's Fête and some others with traditional boats all over Europe.















__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4044  
Old 05-07-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Santiago, Chile
Posts: 212
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 13
DiasDePlaya is on a distinguished road
Re: Wauquiez Dayboat 9

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Robelz, thanks for posting about it. It is a beautiful boat by Berret / Racoupeau . On another thread about cruising we were reaching the conclusion that many use their boats not for cruising but to day-sail and I was saying it was a shame because a cruiser boat has a lot of compromises regarding what is needed for cruising and the sailing boat could be a much more fun and enjoyable boat if not compromised that way.

The Wauquiez Dayboat 9 explains exactly what I was trying to say. It seems that the Europeans are getting clever in what regards their boat options. In fact many don't use their cruising boats for cruising (just for sailing) but the number of expensive top day-sailers like this one has increased dramatically on the last years and it shows they are getting better boats and more enjoyable sailboats for what they really like or can do and the way they use their boats.
Time ago talking with four friends that own a 36.7, they are thinking to replace she by something bigger and they say that they lack interior space. But they have never sailed more than an afternoon on their yacht! I told them and just stared at me. I do not understand wanting a sailboat with beds, bathroom and kitchen have never used or will use in the future. It is much more logical to buy a daysailer that a cruise if you're just going to sail close to the yacht club. I am very interested in the Summit MD35.

Last edited by DiasDePlaya; 05-07-2013 at 07:24 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4045  
Old 05-08-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Brenta 60

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiasDePlaya View Post
Time ago talking with four friends that own a 36.7, they are thinking to replace she by something bigger and they say that they lack interior space. But they have never sailed more than an afternoon on their yacht! I told them and just stared at me. I do not understand wanting a sailboat with beds, bathroom and kitchen have never used or will use in the future. It is much more logical to buy a daysailer that a cruise if you're just going to sail close to the yacht club. I am very interested in the Summit MD35.
There is nothing wrong in wanting to sail a faster and bigger boat if one has the money for that, what is funny is that some need false excuses to do that.

Regarding day-sailers or weekend cruisers there are some with 60ft and I guess that in what regards causing an impression to friends they will be as suited as cruising boats or more. Not that these babies will nor be able to do some racing and certainly they are a pleasure to sail

Look at the interior of the B56: A daysailer-racer that one



__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4046  
Old 05-08-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
AC: Just beautiful



I believe that now many of those that thought that multihulls were a bad idea for the AC are starting to change of opinion
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4047  
Old 05-08-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Aegean regatta

I have talked about famous races in a lot of places but missed Greece. One of the most famous there is the Aegean regatta, an ORC one. In August you can count with wind there and the region is beautiful (I will be sailing there this summer).

This year's edition will start in Lesvos, the Island where lived the a woman that would become hugely famous, passes by Limnos, Skyros and finishes in Skopelos.

Aegean Regatta 2013

Some nice images of some beautiful boats, specially this one



and lots of other nice boats:




__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by PCP; 05-08-2013 at 12:36 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4048  
Old 05-08-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
A J111 going fast

DiasDePlaya likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4049  
Old 05-09-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Dehler 38 sailtest.



What can I say that I had not said? I like the boat and I was very impressed with the interior, quality and design, when I visited the boat in Dusseldorf. The movies show that clearly and Toby seems as impressed with it as I was.
daviid likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4050  
Old 05-09-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,162
Thanks: 21
Thanked 95 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
J 122, a favorite of mine.

I was talking on another thread about the J122, saying that I like it a lot and that was one of the boats that fit my particular needs and tastes in what regards having a personal boat...and then saw that I never had posted here about it, only a generic post about J boats.

Probably that happened because the the boat had already some years and was not a new boat when I started this thread. But the fact is that even if the boat show a very slight age in what regards hull design and transom it is still a very fast and modern performance cruiser. One of the fastest, I would say. Probably if it was designed today it would be very similar to the J111, in what regards hull shape and transom, but the difference is really a very slight thing.

The hull is still very modern, the boat is very fast (continues to win races) and the quality of the interior is very good and addapted to cruising.

The J122 is a narrow boat, if we consider the average in what regards modern production. The beam is typical of a 36ft and that has not only relevance in the interior space and storage as it make it a very good upwind boat but tricky to sail downwind fast without a full crew. It is also a boat that will sail with a considerable heel because it has less hull form stability than the typical cruiser racer and relies on a big B/D ratio for stability. Of course, for that work the boat has to heel. The B/D ratio is 38%, on a bulbed keel with 2.20m.

The boat is very light (6670kg) can carry a lot of sail for the weight (80m2), has a narrow well designed hull, it is a stiff boat so no wonder it is fast. But in bad weather the boat can sail with very little sail (and make way) and his stifness and very good reserve stability contributes to make it a very good and safe offshore boat.

Regarding storage space, if you, like me, can live with the storage space offered by a 37/38ft mass production cruiser, than the J122 has the space that you need, specially on the 2 cabin version without the front cabin head.

The boat can also offer more storage on a removable back bench (that closes the transom). I don't like it but i guess some would want that option.

On the photos you see cabinets on one side of the boat and no cabinets on the other side. You can have it like that, without cabinets in the saloon or with cabinets on both sides. The tankage is not big in what regards water (172l) but it is not a problem to add more (option). Regarding fuel the boat sails so well and with so little wind that the one the boat carries (130l) will be enough for most cruisers that will like this boat.

Regarding price it is what it is expected: Expensive but not more than similar boats (in quality and high specs) like the Luffe, X yachts, Arcona or Grand Soleil.

A great boat that I believe it will be substituted by a new model on the next 3 years or so. At that time the price of the used boats will drop substantially and it will be the best time to buy one, if you have not the means to buy a new one now

J/122- World's Most Successful Offshore 40 ft Sailboat Class

J122 Voilier - A cruising pleasure and a regatta pleasure - J Composites































__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by PCP; 05-09-2013 at 11:50 AM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 members and 5 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising sailboats for sale welch Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 10 04-25-2012 05:20 PM
THE Yacht Builder List T37Chef Boat Review and Purchase Forum 26 07-08-2011 05:51 AM
Noob wonderings and questions about sailing, life at sail and sailboats Vans General Discussion (sailing related) 49 06-20-2011 12:18 AM
A List of ALL sailboats made with layouts? Myblueheaven Boat Review and Purchase Forum 8 10-08-2010 11:32 AM
Failure to Navigate - interesting post on Panbo Blog & from the NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 12-11-2006 06:15 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:12 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.