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IIRC, that's the Cape Dory 36 re-badged.
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Thats a very fine looking boat, but I would have preferred it with a more modern underwater, I mean, with a fin keel and a bulb.

Ben, regarding your question, the European ones that used to have full keels on the 70's and 80's, like Halberg Rassy or Malo, all moved up to some sort of fin keel, a more substantial one, if compared with faster cruising boats.

I can only remember an European brand that had proposed a new line of full keel cruisers. That was four years ago? and I never heard of them again. I don't know if they managed to make any boat, but I am quite sure they are out of business. They were nice looking boats, but heavy, slow and expensive. I Doubt that there is a market for that kind of boats.

There are some builders that still make old designs with a full keel, among them the 27 ft Vancouver (now 28ft). The bigger Vancouvers have already some sort of mix between a full keel and a Fin.

Vancouver 28

But the one I really like (I want one of those when I am really old ) is the Marieholm 33. It is still made and it is an incredible beautiful boat. I have been inside of one and I can tell you that has one wonderful interior, really cozy. One of the nicest I Have ever seen.

That's a boat that would make any sailor proud.

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Take a look at the Video : M33 class

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IIRC that CG is built a bit north or me, about 25 or s miles in Port Townsend. I would imaging there will ALWAYS be someone that wants a traditional design boat if you will, ie full keel. BUT, others would like the above WL to be traditional in look, but below WL, newer, faster style etc. Hence why Morris and Alerion seem to be doing well with there boats, traditional look above, below fast!

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Hi Paulo!
I had one more look to the RM yachts and think they look really interresting. This interior design looks very reasonable for long haul family cruising. Quite comfortable. I just wonder how fast they really are. Do you have an idea? As you know me I certainly constantly compare with the Pogo 12.50...
What I don't like so muchseeing e.g. the RM 1200 is the 'small' cockpit.
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Hey BenMP, I can not resist to show you a sketch that I have made 35 years ago about my dream boat



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The Cape George is an Atkin design, Little Bear I believe, that has been refined by Cecil Lange, owner of Cape George. It predates Cape Dory by several decades.
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LOL paulo,

Looks like my old dream boat, ie a Westsail 32 as a teen. Sailed on a friend of my stepdads. Now one showed up in my marina the other day, see a few here and there, and I go, what the Heel did I want one of them for?

I would want the Salona over a WS or that boat you designed years ago! Altho pretty..... to a degree............

so what time is it over in portugal? about 1pm need to get out and do some more work, actually sunny out today! oh yeah, got a bullet sailing the other day!
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Hi Paulo!
I had one more look to the RM yachts and think they look really interresting. This interior design looks very reasonable for long haul family cruising. Quite comfortable. I just wonder how fast they really are. Do you have an idea? As you know me I certainly constantly compare with the Pogo 12.50...
What I don't like so muchseeing e.g. the RM 1200 is the 'small' cockpit.
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Yes I have. I had tried the RM 1200 because I had the same doubts you have.

The answer is there is no comparison. They are completely different boats. The Pogo is a nervous boat that needs the weakest of winds to sail. The Rm 1200 will need at least 7 or 8k wind to sail at 5.5K and has not the kind of feeling sports boats have at the tiller or at the wheel. The RM 1200 is a very stable boat made to eat miles on autopilot, with comfort and easiness.

The Pogo will do the same a lot faster, but you will have to reef a lot more times, be more at the tiller and would have a lot more work.

The RM can sail well with a big load (big tanks) while the Pogo will lose quickly its speed if you load it the way you can load the RM.

The interior of the RM 1200 is just great, near the perfection, the one from Pogo is quite basic.

The new RM 1060 looks a faster boat, if compared with the RM 1200 and the RM1300 is, like the RM 1200 an easy boat, but a faster one. There is one racing in the "Route du Rhum" and it is making a hell of a race, beating a lot of class 40 racing boats (but that is a naked boat ).

If you want a slightest slower boat than the Pogo, but with a much better interior, look at the Opium 39 (posted on this thread). That one has the same feeling as Pogo, and its the same kind of boat. I have sailed that one and it is really fast.

After a lot of research my conclusion (and that's the same as several boat journalists) is that a boat like the Pogo, if compared with a top sports boat like the J122 or a Salona 42 is only better if you want to cross oceans with it.

It is a boat made for the trade winds. For coastal cruising and in other points of sail the Pogo offers no advantage if compared with those boats and it is even slower and more uncomfortable against the wind. When the Pogo really excels is on the stability and speed on a downwind ride

That's why I would prefer a Salona 37 over the Pogo 1050. It is not that I will not cross oceans, but most of my sailing will be coastal, in changing winds .

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LOL paulo,

Looks like my old dream boat, ie a Westsail 32 as a teen. .....

so what time is it over in portugal? about 1pm need to get out and do some more work, actually sunny out today! oh yeah, got a bullet sailing the other day!
Nah!!! look again, my boat is really slim. It would be much faster than a westsail Give me at least that!

20.35. I am going to dinner

PS: you are losing a really great race:

SOLO or DUO TRANSATLANTIC RACES


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I'm LOSING! dang it, did not know I was sailing in that race. SO why the heck am i spending my lunch updating my wifes computer for her biz books!?!?!?!?! dang it! better to be seasick on a boat, than in a house working on a computer trying to update the ram, which did ot work last night, now to imput the quickbooks program...........

Oh well, off to marina to pull weeds at YC I belong to, and get paid to take car of landscape, along with one other, look at a house that needs a new driveway............
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