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Archambault A13: IRC-Racer von Archambault - Yachten + Jollen*|*YACHT.DE

A 13m IRC rocket by Archambault. Plans with 15 knots of wind and is affordable...
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Archambault A13: IRC-Racer von Archambault - Yachten + Jollen*|*YACHT.DE

A 13m IRC rocket by Archambault. Plans with 15 knots of wind and is affordable...
Looks great...and fast

















Specifications Archambault A13

LOA (hull length) 13.10 m
Width 4.20m
Depth (T-keel) 2.60 m
Weight 6,7 t
Sail area 105 m2
Spinnaker 176 m2

The IRC rating should be between 1.16 and 1.18 and the price 379,000 euro including carbon rig and VAT. The boat can have two wheel or a tiler configuration.

This one, contrary to the A35 and A40 will not be a cruiser racer but a race boat with a more schematic interior. The boat come with an head a simple galley and six bunks, the rest is pretty much open space.

It is a Joubert /Nivelt and the boat is designed to compete in iRC, offshore and inshore. That transom seems ultra wide but the boat has only as beam 4.2m while the two smaller 40 class racer posted before, with less 1M in lenght, have considerable more (about 4.5).

Joubert/Nivelt are the designers of the Archambault line and also the M34. I would say that they know very well how to make fast, competitive boats in IRC and also boats that can be sailed with a short crew and looking at the hull lines I would say this one is no exception. That Transom seems forgiving enough to short crew sailing.

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True in terms of cost, but still a good comparison in terms of "sexy" and I think the Bugatti may be the sexiest car ever built.

Which raises the question: With respect to monohulls, if one was not constrained by either money, materials or a design rule, what would the most high performance boat look like at 40 feet? I am thinking that the Class 40s, even with those constraints, are probably not far from the ideal. Presumably, building them in carbon and adding canting keels would further increase performance, but what else could be done?

Can anyone think of another boat of this length that would be faster all around - i.e., upwind and downwind?
Regarding long range Ocean racing, with a crew yes (less beamier carbon race boats like a Farr 400 ot a Ker 40), with a duo or solo....only a similar design made in carbon (lighter) and with a canting keel. That would be an Open 40. Some were made but they were so expensive (several times the cost of a Class 40) and the differences in performance were not big enough to justify the difference in cost. Older Open40 have been beaten by new class40.

Of course If someone decided to make a solo circumnavigation race the wrong way (and that would be very interesting) then this boat would not be competitive and we would see less beamier boats...but not much I think. Something like a bigger JPK 10.10, maybe a bit narrower and with more B/D.

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Class950 - JPK 960

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is the performance of a class 950 racer somehow comparable to a JPK 960? Will there be big differences in comfort?
Regarding comfort I don't thing so, regarding speed yes. But one thing is speed other is handicap racing and I doubt very much a class950 could be raced to its rating on an inshore regatta race.

The Class950 are a kind of a reduced class40, both pointing to solo or short crew ocean racing and that' were they are competitive. On a regatta or smaller ocean race with a crew both boats would not be very competitive in what regards handicap racing and in some conditions, even on real time. You have just to look at the results of the Sidney Hobart (and upwind race with stormy seas) were in several years a Class40 never managed to beat the fastest First 40, that has a much smaller handicap.

Put both boats in a Transat and the class40 will smoke the First 40. Only on very particular conditions a class40 can be beaten by a boat like the First 40.



The Pogo 10.50 is a kind of civilized and just a bit bigger Class950.

I don't know of any Class 950 with a good cruising interior except the Mistral 950, a Lucas design. The boat is not as fast as the typical racing 950 but it is a great design with a very nice interior and a lifting keel:







The boat had raced the last Transat with a duo that included Lucas (the designer). They did not had strong winds and did not done as good as they expected, being beaten in real time by many boats including JPK 9.6, 10.10, A35 and Sunfast 32 but being the only boat of that type on the race it is impossible to know if that was due to the boat, crew or the limitations the boat was subjected. Note that a 9.50 has normally a rating that does not allow it to race the Transquadra so the boat was not sailing to its potential, having less sails and less sail area.

Look at this interesting report on the 9.50 site about that experience:

The first Mistral 950 (Jean-Paul Le Breton) participated in the Transquadra 2011/2012 with François LUCAS. Disappointing result because the IRC rating is very detrimental to the 950 class: Penalized boat, main sail with slightly less area, only spinnakers for breeze. In short we needed the strong winds and this year the trade wind was unfortunately very soft. The only consolation was that we won 30 places in three days of decent constant trade winds!

The boat returned to France safely by sea in the hands of Franck AUSSEDAT, often in close and sometimes with winds of 40 knots and 4m waves. Since then the boat has cruised the South Brittany Coast: With its lifting keel, all ports and anchorages are open to him.

The next objective is to optimize the boat for the next Transquadra: A door opens in 2013 in the IRC for powerful boats, we will take advantage of it.


UnMistral 950 en Russie. Nouvel article - Classe 9.50



Some interesting comments by the one that won on the same race the class of "heavy cruisers" with a First 36,7. He calls F1 to JPK, Sunfast 32 and A31 and 35 and cruiser racers to more traditional and heavier boats like Grand Soleil 37


"Super accueil !Monday, febr 13, approx noon time, after 15 days and some hours (details to follow later), Notabene crossed the finish line at Le Marin. Under a beautiful wind and sun, there people waiting with music, singing and applauses. ..

Finishing in the head of the race with a 'heavy' boat isn't something that was left unremarked for the competitors and the organisation. During 15 days on the head of the race, the F1-racers, had been surprised, or been questioning: what is Notabene still doing here ??? Or what the fu**k are they still, or once again, crossing our way ?

Imagine we hadn't broken that second spi boom... must have lost about 5 places ?

Anyway, we finished after the Grand Soleil 37 MUSIX, in the provisional ranking of the 'heavy weights' ( the cruiser-racers). But before another Grand Soleil 40 ana GS 37. Will this be enough to keep the second place after the on 'handicap racing' ?

Yesterday, after a first night of party, we received a provisional ranking overall with the handicap included. It seems that we are place 25 in the overall ranking (!!!) Before many Pogos and other F1 boats. Yes, we are proud! !
....

It is finally confirmed. Notabene wins in his class, the group of 20 cruiser-racers.
We couldn't believe we'll end up before the fasts Grand Soleils, but we beat the GS 40 with 9 min on the finish line ( after 15 days racing). With recalculating the handicap we even end up long before them.

Conclusions :

1 : The first places of the TQ , is a fight between ARCHAMBAULT and JPK, which JPK has obviously won this edition : a first place in double ( JPK 10.10) and a first in solo.
2 : the 'heavy weights', cruiser-racers, could keep up with the F1 racers, due to winds under 20 knts in the first part of the race ( these boats go surfing as of 20 knts wind, with a big swell)
3. There is more and more Race in the Race ( F1, Pogos, Jeanneau 3200, criser-racers) which is good and will make the organisation think of having more categories next time."


Final results are amazing ! | Notabene Transquadra 2012

For you to form a better idea here are the Transquadra results. I know it is a drag, you have to see real time results here:

Transquadra 2011-2012 | Transat solitaire et double réservée aux amateurs.

And then see the brand and type of boat here:

Transquadra 2011-2012 | Transat solitaire et double réservée aux amateurs.

You can also look at the IRC files of some boats, the one from the class950 Mistral950 (with the normal rating):

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13011a.pdf

A Prototype class 9.50:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13003a.pdf

Two A35:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13069a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13061a.pdf

Two JPK 10.10

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13048a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/12048a.pdf

Two JPK 960:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/12069a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/12088a.pdf

A A 31:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/hab...pdf/13010c.pdf

and some posts about the Transaquadra with relevant information:

Interesting Sailboats

Interesting Sailboats

Interesting Sailboats

Interesting Sailboats


Bottom point, a class950 is a much more powerful boat than a JPK 960 with a much bigger IRC handicap. However IRC penalises too much the boat and it will not be competitive in regattas. On normal conditions it will be faster than a JPK 960 on a Transat.

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The Akilaria e.g. seems to have a much nicer interior: Akilaria Class 40 at Maine Yacht Center

If IRC and ORCi are no criteria, the 950s look like highest potential cruisers...
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Traditional boats: Rabelo

We have been talking lately about many fast and modern sailboats, let's talk about a real old and slow one, I mean slow when he is not going downriver on a mountain river with rapids. The origin is unknown, probably Celtic in its building techniques that are very old. The boat is started by the bottom, then the hull and only then the structure:



The boat was used to transport wine, the best wine, Porto wine, from the high river to the main North city in Portugal, Porto. Porto means port in Portuguese so it is a no name city but that is another story. Porto is obviously a Port and in old times one of the main ones and for the region the wine exportation was always important as an economic activity.

On a side track, the vines were planted on the high slopes of the river Douro and thousands of years of work created a men made scenery of rare beauty that today is classified by UNESCO as a World Heritage site.

Getting back to the boat have a look at min 3.15 of this movie and you will see that after all it was a fast (and scary) boat to sail.




Now they race them, once in a year and they take that very seriously as with any other "racing" boat






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The Akilaria e.g. seems to have a much nicer interior: Akilaria Class 40 at Maine Yacht Center

If IRC and ORCi are no criteria, the 950s look like highest potential cruisers...
I don't agree. I had hopped that the Akilaria could follow Pogo steps in what regards a good cruising interior but they never got their number right. Have a better look and compare the two Class950 interiors in what regards light and quality:






Sure, the Akilaria 950 is fast:





But there are a reason for the Pogo 10.50 to be the much more popular (and sell much more) than the Akilaria. Even bigger it is less expensive, it has a better interior and it is fast too.


Petit surf à 20 nds por pogostructures








The Akilaria would interest the ones that would race on that class, that is an interesting one, but unfortunately it has not been a great success in what regards the number of boats around. Maybe it will pick up now, it seems a great boat to me but without to many boats and a bad rating in what regards handicap the interest in what regards racing is limited....and the Pogo 10.50 is a much better cruiser, swing keel and all..bigger and slightly less expensive.

Have a look at the price of this 2008 Akilaria 950:

MC TEC-AKILARIA 950-2008-135 000- XBOAT, your neXt BOAT Buy and sell ? motor boats and Sail boat sales

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2013 Round the Island Race, a favorite of mine.

You have to love this race: 1459 sailboats of all types and sizes from modern to ultra modern passing by classic and traditional . The big winner in real time: A AC45 that beat the race record by 12 minutes. 40 minutes later comes the 100ft Leopard pursued by a little Seacart 30 trimaran (10m later). 18 m later comes an Open 60.

Tomorrow I will get back to it. For now, some great movies, as usual on this race:





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New boat: Elan 320

Or maybe I should say half new? because even if they don't say it it seems to me a Elan 310 MKII. I mean all is new except the hull. The boat looks good even if it is to soon to say about the interior but if the new 400 is a reference it will be a nice one.

The previous boat was already a great little performance cruiser: Great cruising interior, fast to cruise and to do some club racing even if the boat was beaten at high level by boats like the A31 ot JPK 960, that are a bit more expensive anyway. The boat is slightly lighter than the 310 (60kg).

TheElan 320 comes also with two wheels as standard. I hope that they can also offer a rudder that makes a lot more sense in my opinion.












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Is the Yaka 9.50 the civil version of the dingo 9.50? What about its cruising potential? Speed potential?
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