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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#1,844 · (Edited)
Sly yachts are among the very exclusive group of sailboats that mix luxury with top performance sailing and they are among the best. A true Ferrari of the seas; exclusive boats for the very rich.

Well not anymore, now the less rich can also have a Sly:

They are making a 38ft with moderate beam (3.70), 2.30m draft for 5500kg of weight and 85m2 of sail area upwind.

It is going to be fast and beautiful as all Sly. Take a look:



 
#1,848 · (Edited)
Westsail 32



I guess everybody knows the boat that has a reputation of being a seaworthy boat. It is an old design and an heavy and slow boat and most of you are probably thinking why the hell I am talking here about this boat.

Well, I could not resist I want to share with you all an article that I have read on the "Yacht" magazine, that's about Tom Corogan an American sailor that with 84 years has failed (again) his sixth attempt to round the Horn. This time he broke the boat mast. Somebody should tell him to try on another boat:D

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/US-man-bails-on-7th-solo-try-to-round-Cape-Horn-2441149.php

Seriously the guy is a character, an experienced sailor that have sailed extensively his boat and has all my respect. I would like to be able to sail offshore solo with 84 years of age.



You can find the article here:

Seenotfall: 84-jähriger Einhandsegler gerettet - Panorama*|*YACHT.DE

or a full interview on the November issue of Latitudes 38

http://www.westsail.org/Resources/Documents/Articles/CoroganL38112011s.pdf
 
#1,851 ·
Lease it in France and save half the VAT if you have it outside of EU waters for half the time. Fixes half the problem although I don't know what interest rates are looking like on boats these days.

Then rent it out a few weeks to some friends / family the first 2 or 3 years and you can recoup the 15K€ difference over time pretty easily. As long as they are good sailors, no problem.

If you really want it, you know you can find a solution.:D
 
#1,852 · (Edited)
Not really. I know everything about French leasing:D, I even had one signed at the Paris boat show but you probably don't know that the rules are going to change this year (it is already on EC law).

If you are a French it is like that, you will only pay 50% of VAT on the leasing and that means that you can pay the boat in 6 years have the VAT paid and have a boat for a slightly inferior price of what you would get it if you buy the boat immediately to a dealer and paid the VAT at that time.

Unfortunately that is going to change at the end of this year for the ones that are not French (or Italian in the case of the similar Italian leasing) and the fiscal regime that will be applied will not be the one from the leasing company but the one from the client's country, I mean the one that is paying leasing (the future owner of the boat). That means that I will only pay 50% VAT on 12 rents but I will have to pay 100% VAT on 30 rents.

You are lucky, you are French, take advantage on that while you can because I don't think it will last long;)

And regarding charter the boat, well that is nice with friends till you start to ask them some money...then it is not nice anymore and I have no disposition for charting unless I really have too. I prefer a 4 or 5 years's old boat to having a new boat and have to do charter it.

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,853 · (Edited)
Today I will propose you a comparison between two great boats, yes they are great and at BIG, the Halberg Rassy 64 that is nominated for the European boat of the year and the Comet 62, a big brother from the 31 that I have posted some posts back.

The Comet 62 is a 4 year old boat but has not a wrinkle and even looks more modern than the HR 64 that is a nice boat. Well, the HR 64 is a nice boat, the Comet 62 is gorgeous boat, about the same difference between a nice house keeper (I mean a wife:D) and a top model, if you know what I mean;).

The boats were both tested last year by Yachtworld magazine and it was not a comparative test since both boats will appeal to different kinds of sailors.

Both testers were, a lady and a guy, were very impressed with the boats that each one tested.

First, the HR 64:



The tester was alone in the boat with Magnus Rassy and could verify what Rassy had told her: That the boat was designed to be easily sailed by a couple.

On demanding conditions with 21 to 23K wind she said:

"As easy to sail as a small boat...with push button controls...it is so easy using buttons at the binnacle that you can play the mainsheet like a dinghy"

She was very impressed with the overall quality of the boat.

The boat is fast too and on a reach they have made between 9.5K and 10K.

The Comet 62RS:



The tester said:

"I come away impressed with the Comet 62RS...it would be hard to tire of her lines...the quality of her build becomes obvious when you sail her. Her fittings are...oversized which boosts confidence.

She proved rewarding and powerful with a good turn of speed and a comfortable cruising motion. ..The Italian yard...injects character, soul and quality into their boats."


The boat has the 4 winches around the wheel, two back and two forward to permit short crew sailing and they are electric.

With 9/12K wind the boat made 7.5K at 23º/27º apparent wind and 8.5/9K at 25º apparent wind with 20K wind.

The owner apologized about the hull being dirty and said that in normal conditions with a clean hull the boat would be a knot faster.

..............................................................................................................................

These hull profiles and stability curves show all the difference between both boats in what regards power and sailing:







These small graphics were taken from YachtingWorld magazine (I hope they don't mind) and you can find there the complete tests. They have the magazine on line on Zinio and you can find the Halberg Rassy test on the 2011 Setember issue and the Comet test on the July 2011 issue.

...
 
#1,854 · (Edited)
#1,862 · (Edited)
THEY HAVE MADE IT!!!!

New world record on the circumnavigation time:

45 days 13 hours 42 minutes 53 minutes.

Loïck Peyron and his team own the Jules Verne trophy and they were a lot faster than Jules Verne.:D

They have made 29 002 Nm at the incredible average speed of 26,51 K :eek::eek::eek:
The finish: look at that well deserved joy:).

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/cou...banque-populaire-v-un-record-charge-demotion/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...am-smashes-world-circumnavigation-record.html

.....
 
#1,857 · (Edited)
And talking about Abu Dhabi it is appropriated talk about Dhows, a Generic name for different types of boats that have in common having latin sails and be part of the Arabic or Muslim heritage. Some where heavily influenced by the Portuguese Caravel that dominated those seas on the XVI century.

The Traditional Dhow

Nabataea: Maritime

http://catnaps.org/islamic/boats.html

Fortunately there as been a renaissance of interest on these boats on the Emirates and they are used for racing. Beautiful boats and on its racing versions, fast boats. Have a look:









 
#1,858 · (Edited)
And how about this?



Provisional Itinerary | Capehornrace

It will stick?

It can be very interesting;)



"The race round Cape Horn Island constitutes a « race within a race » with its own prologue from Ushuaia to the Cape, and its own epilogue from the Horn to Port Williams. The first edition of the event starts at Saint Tropez with stoppover ports in Argentine, Brazil, Chile and Spain. In total, the race route comprises 6 legs, 6 stoppover ports, during a period of 6 months. The competiton is open to all monophull yachts between 47 and 75 feet (14.3 and 23 m): an IRC handicap race, which allows all teams to compete equally, whether they are onboard a producton, charter, or racing yacht. Throughout 15,000 nautical miles of ocean challenge, the fleet will be tracked by satellite. In accordance with IRC rules, the fastest yacht on corrected time, wins."

....
 
#1,859 ·
New boat to be presented in Dusseldorf, an Italian one, the Iy 13.98, a Maurizio Cossutti design, a boat with beautiful classic lines, a very well constructed and fast boat.

Made with e-glass and vinilester resins with a cored hull, the boat is light (8950kg) and has a big B/D ratio, if we consider that it has a torpedo keel with 3100kg at 25m draft. Considering that the boat has a moderated beam (4.30m) that would make it very very stiff and with 124 m2 of sail this boat should go upwind like an arrow. It also was a geenaker that could be used on a broad reach and if we consider the sail area of the boat in that configuration (226 m2), this boat would need only 4K of wind to go fast.

I would definitively call this one an interesting sailboat;)













They say about the boat:

Italia 13.98 resumes and extends the design philosophy introduced with the first model of the yard. Italia 13.98 is therefore a real luxury yacht where technology and performances meet, looking for a blend between classic and modern lines.

Performances and easy handling are in the DNA of the boats designed by Italia Yachts as well as the search for maximum comfort on board and the rationality of the use of space above and below deck.


Interiors of Italia 13.98 are luxurious with wide use of teak and precious materials. The layout has three comfortable cabins and two bathrooms, one with separate shower.

The whole environment is characterized by intense brightness provided by many openable skylights an hull side windows that can be blacked out.

Stowage spaces both in owner's bow cabin than in the two aft cabins are spacious and comfortable.
 
#1,860 · (Edited)
Do you know where is the best place to find interesting sailboats (besides this thread:D)?

Dusseldorf boat show, without any doubt. If you have never been there you could not imagine the size.

I an posting about this because the boat show is this month between 21 and 29 of this month. You will find there dealers from all the world including America and that's probably the place where you can get a better deal on a new boat.

What you are going to gain with special boat show prices will vastly compensates the price of the voyage and that is probably also true for charting where the prices can go till 20% under what you can manage on the net.

Besides Dusseldorf is a very nice place with great food and a brewery that makes beer on the spot and has a terrific ambiance (kind of 30's if you know what I mean). It is the German city with highest living standards and German standards are not low. A lovely city in the center of Europe with excellent fast railway connections to many big European cities. That's why the world's biggest boat show is there in first place.

After the first time I was there at almost 10 years ago I returned almost every year. I am not going this year and I am already missing it:(

Just to give you an idea:

.... 1,600 exhibitors from over 50 countries will be presenting their innovations for the coming season in 17 Düsseldorf exhibition halls from 21 to 29 January 2012 - from fishing rods right through to luxurious large yachts....

International and unrivalled for boats and yachts Messe Düsseldorf expects some 650 foreign participations at boot 2012. This means more than one in three exhibitors will come from abroad...An unrivalled international array of boats with 1,700 types of all sizes spreads over eleven exhibition halls. ..

Boot Düsseldorf is a must for yachtsmen! Halls 16 and 17 await them with a top-notch range of sailing boats and yachts presented by 150 exhibitors.

Particularly positive is the trend in the small yet refined, special segment of catamarans and trimarans which were given their own separate, dedicated platform in Hall 15 last year. The concept went down so well that many exhibitors have decided to extend their presentations at boot 2012, i.e. they now wish to bring their boats rather than information stands to Düsseldorf. 15 suppliers in Hall 15 will be covering all aspects of the popular multi-hull sailing.


Probably you will not find all the sailing boats there, but this will give you an idea:

boot 2012 - Sailing Boats & Yachts

Some movies from last year's edition:

Guten Tag, Düsseldorf ! - Annonce bateaux - Annonces bateaux - Occasion Bateaux - Occasion Voiliers - Occasion voiles





If you go buy the tickets on line. The tickets includes a free transport title for the city public transport service (for the day).

.......
 
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#1,863 · (Edited)
I know this is a bit out of the scope of the thread but I have been enjoying this and I want to share. Actually I think that it is a great help to study a cruising voyage on those regions and even if it is in German some will understand and even if not, they show the maps and the places so it is self explanatory (from the "Yacht" magazine:

Cyclades:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slideshows/das-glanzstueck-der-kykladen/a61139.html

Virgin Islands:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slideshows/relaxen-auf-den-jungferninseln/a67463.html

Thailand:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slideshows/reviere-aus-einem-neuen-blickwinkel/a51997.html

..
 
#1,864 · (Edited)
After the Swedestar 370 a new Swedestar 415 is coming. They are going to have the 370 on Dusseldorf and presenting the 415 project.

The Swedestar is not much of a looker, well it is very nice, well made but it don't looks a new model. It is as classic as it can be. The boat has not an open transom, only one wheel and the profile looks classic not to say some year's old. So what makes it so special that the market had given clear signs that wanted a boat like the 370 but bigger?

Well, it has Swedish quality (and price) it is more narrow than most the competition, as an huge B/D (42% on a bulbed keel) and lot's of sail. It is a very fast performance cruiser and its looks are deceiving, I mean it looks luxurious classic and slow. Well luxurious it is, slow it is not;)

YachtingMonthly tested the the boat in 2010:



They have give it 9 points out of 10 in performance, helm feeling, chart table and galley quality and an overall 8 point classification (out of 10) that is quite good for their standards.

They have said:

The Swedestar 370 makes an impressive début. The quality of craftsmanship is up to Swedish standards and the mahogany is beautifully finished, but she needs a few refinements to justify her place in the luxury bracket. The conventional deck layout works well and the helm feels fabulous.

I feel she's too thoroughbred for cruising. The sailplan is huge and the boat is light so, despite a decent ballast ratio, you'll be reefing in anything over a Force 3. For most of us, the cruiser-racer balance here is skewed too far towards performance.


Swedestar 370 | Single Hull Boat Reviews | Yachting Monthly | Single-Hull Boat Reviews | Yachting Monthly

This gives you an idea of what the 415 is going to be, narrow as its small sister (3.75m of beam to 12.61m over all) it will have a lot of ballast and considering that it will not be heavy with 8000kg. 92.5 m2 of sail on a narrow hull will make it a fast boat with a great interior with classic looks. If you have more than 350 000€ to give for a 41ft boat, like classic looks and fast boats, this could be an interesting one.





 
#1,865 ·
A new walkabout, even lighter. If the boat is strong enough this will be a very interesting boat, the 37 Med:

Main Dimension:
Lenght Overall
11,68 m
Hull Lenght
11,00 m
Lenght at Waterline 10,80 m
Maximum Beam 4,00 m
Draught 2,15 m
Keel weight 1600kg
Light Displacement 3700 kg
Sail Plan
Sail surface 80 mq
Engine
Yanmar 22 Hp
Architect David Reard
Technical data
Keel weight / Displacement 43.3 %

A very light boat with a huge B/D ratio and a lot of sail for such a light boat (3700kg for 80m2).





They say about the boat:

A new lightweight 37-feet designed for fast and safe navigation in the Mediterranean and for offshore race.

The hull is made in a sandwich composite (multi-axial glass fabric / PVC / multi-axial glass fabric epoxy laminates) and with round bottom and a single edge.

It is possible to install 2 ballast to improve upwind performance and have a retractable keel to reduce the draft.


This is a kind of Italian Pogo, even lighter (the 37 has the same weight of the Pogo 10.50, that is a 35ft boat) with better interiors. It is not too light? I don't know, the Pogo is not made with epoxy resin, this one is and that should make this one 500/800kg lighter, but even so It seems a miracle to me.

The same boat (37) on its "Voyage" version has 4896 kg. That seems a more realistic number. 1200kg between the two versions seems too much.

This is a test sail by SoloVela (Italian Sail magazine) of the WALKABOUT 43, the bigger sister. He have already talked about this one. It has a nice interior for this kind of boat.

 
#1,866 · (Edited)
Some Days ago when I was in Fumicino taking photos of that Comet 31 (that I posted recently) I meet Andrea from Comar Yachts that seeing me interested in the boat asked me if I wanted to take a look at the shipyard (Comet is made by Comar).

Well some ladies like to look at window shops, I like to look at boats and boat shipyards so I jumped into the opportunity. Comar shipyard is big and very latin, I mean nothing of the Nordic military efficiency, here they work with what seems to be a comfortable disorganization:D

What I found more unusual was the huge variety of boats being made: Some small one class racers, some 35fters, some big boats between 50 and 60ft and a really big 85ft, this one for the Italian navy (lucky cadets). The boats are built with great care but almost fully customized, made by hand and they make practically everything there without almost no resourcing to outside services. That explains the very good quality of their boats but also their price, that is a bit higher than mass production boats but even so not as expensive at Nordic boats.

I found out that they also use an internal steel reinforcement grid where the keel and shrouds are connected but instead of being glued to the hull it is completely stratified inside the hull. They use vacuum bagged cored hulls (with airex on the core), vinilester or epoxy resins and some boats are made completely in carbon, including the big ones.

They seem to have the ability to build anything regardless of the size or material, providing it is a composite. I guess they will end up giving up building small boats and that they will focus on really big boats like many companies that work with top quality and customize their boats. There is little profit in custom small boats and a lot more on big boats:eek:.

While they still make small boats (I have already posted about a 38ft) let's have a look at one of the most recent, the Comet 35s, a kind of First 35 with Italian flair:











They say about the boat:

From the hull to the carpentry, from the flush hatches to the steel, most of the components you will find on your COMET have been custom-made in-house. The hull and deck are made in Airex sandwich, using unidirectional and biaxial web and epoxy vinyl resin. Airex is glued to the skins in a vacuum and the reinforcements are stratified directly on the hull, without using female moulds, thereby obtaining maximum structural rigidity.

The Comet 35's standard layout comes with 2 cabins both with comfortable double-berths, large closets and a large head. The saloon, with a large convertible couch and a second sofa in front of it, is very bright thanks to the extensive windows and four skylights. The dinette offers ample storage space, with an L shaped galley to the right of the ladder, well equipped with a large working area, in front of the chart table. The finishings are in solid and laminated American cherry wood, ensuring a modern and welcoming ambiance.

The objective of the small Comar Yacht cabin cruiser is to maintain the full range concept: modern lines, excellent seaworthiness and the top notch livability. A challenge that becomes more interesting in small sizes. The cruiser vocation of the Comet 35, becomes pure racing fun and in both instances the hull stability allows seamless boat management even with a reduced crew. By reinterpreting the sleek and well balanced lines typical of the Sports Comar range, even in the 35 we can recognize the harmony of the deck where the deck house, well integrated with the hull lines, offers excellent interior livability.


Specification:

Lenght overall 11,05 m
Hull lenght 10,65 m
Waterline lenght 9,21 m
Beam 3,64 m
Draft 2.10m
Std. Ballast 1.600 Kg
Displacement 5.500kg
Mainsail 40,00 mq
Genoa 40,00 mq
Spinnaker 93,00 mq

5500kg isn't bad for a 35ft and 80m2 is a lot of sail for the weight. The boat has a lot of form stability and those 1600kg are a on an elongated lead torpedo and both things put together make this a stiff boat. A stiff boat with lot's of sail for the weight makes a fast boat.

On the test sail from "Vela e Motore" they measured with 18K wind:

45º-6.5K....60º-7.6K....90º-8.2K....135-7.6K....150-7.1K

The interiors are of very good quality and the design is refreshing.

The boat costs a bit more than 120 000€ at the shipyard and I would say that is not too much for what is offered.

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#1,870 · (Edited)
Modern boats designed with a classic look are one of the trends of today's design. Compromises are made in what regards sail performance, usualy in what concerns LWL regarding LOA but most of these modern classic looking boats are very light, have modern bulbed keels, modern spade ruder and a hulls with not much rocker.

They are intended to be fast, very pleasurable boats to sail and sailing pleasure would not be the only pleasure they would deliver: These boats that will make any owner proud. These are boats that will never look old, boats to cherish and to keep as a art work and of course as any work of art, design is of paramount importance.

Bob Perry designed recently one, a beautiful narrow 62ft and contrary of what is usual on these boats, have managed to maintain the classic flavor, without a big loss of LWL regarding the boat LOA. The hull seems very well designed and looks very neat and the ruder and keel are thoroughly modern.





The keel is particularly interesting, a steel hollow structure that will function has a diesel tank and an integrated torpedo that will not get stuck on fishing lines. The ruder is also high tech and a carbon one.

Of course a boat like this should have a carbon rig and this one will have one , the one used on the Farr 40. I hope rod is used to keep in mind with the rest.

The boat hull will be made in Cedar strip planking The hull with cedar and after sheathed in Vectorply E-TLX 2400-10 triaxial cloth. The deck would be made of composite.

Cedar strip planking give very strong and light hulls and this one will only weight about 18 000 lb. With that weight it should be a very strong hull.



The boat would have a huge sail area (978 m2) for the weigh and that with the very low drag of this boat and big LWL will make it a very fast boat and a boat that would sail well in very weak wind, I would say with any wind.

Of course with such a narrow hull and a canoe stern this boat would have to rely for stability mostly on its ballast and it has lot's of it, almost 50% of its weight and all in a lead bulb on the end of a long keel. This boat will have a lot of righting moment but will sail heeled with any consequent wind. Not a problem for me I like heel. The boat will probably heel easily to 20º and will be rock solid and very stiff after that.



This is a very interesting boat and I guess it will be on the vast Bob Perry curriculum as one to be remembered, a boat which design will never get old. That is a desire of any designer: to make a work of art that will remain as a legacy for the future and I believe that will be the case. I only hope the finish and the interior to be up with the quality of the sailboat design.

To know more about the boat:

Yacht Design According to Perry
 
#1,872 ·
New Sirius 40: The boat plans will be shown in Dusseldorf.

A Sirius 40 will have all the space needed to live aboard. As most of you know these boats have an incredible detailed interior with the best quality I know or saw in sailboats. I am sure it will be an incredible boat.

Pity that the cabin on this Marc-Oliver von Ahlen design seems just a bit too high on what otherwise I find a nice looking boat.



 
#1,905 ·
Anyway on the Febuary 2012 PBO-Practical Boat Owner magazine you can see a test of the SIRIUS 310, very interesting and in my opinion gives a wide view about this brand.

They mentioned that some previous scandinavian perfomance boats are changing their minds. I mean they are considering to buy Sirius yachts.
 
#1,874 · (Edited)
I have already posted about the fantastic circumnavigation record by Loick Peiron and his team but the movie in HD that yacht magazine has posted is so much better that it deserves to have a new look: Beautiful boat, great images.

Der Sieg der "Banque Populaire V" - Yacht TV

and since we are talking about great images of offshore trimarans I believe most of you don't know this movie that is one of my favorites: Big ocean racing trimarans flying over heavy seas!!!!. No space for error here. Look at that guy that goes to the bow. It is not practical to wear an harness on a big multihulls (too much space) and I don't think he is wearing one. Jesus you have to be mad or have a huge confidence and gigantic balls:eek:


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