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For what I can tell in what regards Ocean racing there is little difference in the ORCI and IRC rating. It is a shame that the intention to make a only handicap rule (that was announced) seems to be going a hard way.

Here an interesting comparison between IRC and ORC, even if the ORC was updated since then:

Sail-World.com : Rolex Sydney Hobart - ORCi in its second year

sail-world.com -- Rolex Sydney Hobart 2011 ORCi versus IRC as handicap rule
Some pretty ugly boathandling, that's for sure. In the second video you'd think those guys were sailing a J/24 bumper boat. Didn't care for the wood in the interior shots of the first video, except for the cabin sole. And the hull color is pretty lame, as well. Much prefer the copper look of the hull on the NM web site.

Not sure I agree with you about ORCi type-forming, if I understand your concerns correctly. Class A was dominated by the TP52s, which are very competitive boats under IRC after the class loosened the box rule to make the boats more versatile. And I don't know anyone who doesn't love TP52s, myself included.

However, if you think ORCi hurts boats that are more performance cruiser oriented, then obviously I agree it would be a bad thing if that is, in fact the case. We know that IRC has generated some outstanding performance cruisers - we have mentioned Mark Mills in the past, and, of course, Jason Ker, both of whose boats differ in many design respects, with Ker's being a bit more extreme than Mills'. And our friends at Farr have done fine under IRC with the new First designs, as have our friends at J/Boats. However, didn't see many Farr or J/Boat models at the ORCi Championships, except for the Farr 40 ODs (which are pure race boats).

But let me go and re-read the rules comparison, so I make sure I don't misunderstand you.

Hope you're back in full cruise mode very soon.

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The tested Pogo 40 and the Pogo 12.50, which is the new cruising version, are quite different. No more runners and not even a backstay but only very aft speaders, no more ballast tanks but only a distinctive chine in the hull. And very different deck and interior lay-outs, that have been redesigned for cruising purposes.
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Hi Paulo,
After reading the whole thread following your "saga" for a new boat and being curious about which one you would end up with, hearing that you got hit while moored was hard, man! I really hope that you get back to your trip soon and not much affected by this mishappening.

But in the meanwhile I'd like to thank you and all other posters for the boat encyclopedia you build up in this thread, besides having my eyes burning trying to recap it from the beginning (2010!!) I learned a lot about boats I haven't ever heard of.

Right now I am in France trying to visit and have a hands on test in as many boats as I can get because in Brazil this would be very, very difficult.

My plan is to have a life aboard and sail following the trades around the globe (or parts of it) for 3 years. It would be my wife and I plus, eventually, a guest couple during short stays. For this I made a start list and would like to have the forum's input and maybe some brokers/shipyards contacts. I'll be located in Marseille till July, 30.

We are looking for boats around 40' or 12m and the following models:
outremer 42/45
catana 42/45
RM 10.60/12.00
dufor 40E/405
cigale 14


What you think? Would anybody have have dealers/brokers/shipyards contacts in South of France that could share or recommend?

Renato
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Right now I am in France trying to visit and have a hands on test in as many boats as I can get because in Brazil this would be very, very difficult.

My plan is to have a life aboard and sail following the trades around the globe (or parts of it) for 3 years. It would be my wife and I plus, eventually, a guest couple during short stays. For this I made a start list and would like to have the forum's input and maybe some brokers/shipyards contacts. I'll be located in Marseille till July, 30.

We are looking for boats around 40' or 12m and the following models:
outremer 42/45
catana 42/45
RM 10.60/12.00
dufor 40E/405
cigale 14


What you think? Would anybody have have dealers/brokers/shipyards contacts in South of France that could share or recommend?

Renato
For that and assuming you have the money for the others that are more expensive I would skip the Dufour and I would join to that list the Boreal 44 and the Allures 45 and 39.

The Cigale 14 is a great boat but I think they are going to substitute it soon by a new model as they have with the rest of the range.

Try to see if Hannah (Steve) did not yet sail out of France in his new Boreal 44. That is a first that you can test to see if it fits you.

That is very interesting your choice of boat and it will just fit in the purpose of this thread so please keep us posted about it.

Basically you have to decide if you want a Catamaran or a monohull. Catamarans are generally more expensive and a big one demands previous experience with cats in my opinion. Between monohulls you have to decide if you want a center-boarder or a full keel boat. I love the Cigale, old model and all, but the 16 is just better looking.

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The tested Pogo 40 and the Pogo 12.50, which is the new cruising version, are quite different. No more runners and not even a backstay but only very aft speaders, no more ballast tanks but only a distinctive chine in the hull. And very different deck and interior lay-outs, that have been redesigned for cruising purposes.
Are you talking about this movie and test sail?



If so that boat was not a racing Pogo 40 but the prototype that give the Pogo 12.50. As you can see the boat has not backstay and not water ballast tanks either.

In fact the Pogo 12.50 is a 40ft and share the hull with the racing boat. The mast is smaller, and the rigging is different as you say.

This is a test with the cruising boat, the Pogo 12.50, that was later elected boat of the year:



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For that and assuming you have the money for the others that are more expensive I would skip the Dufour and I would join to that list the Boreal 44 and the Allures 45 and 39.

The Cigale 14 is a great boat but I think they are going to substitute it soon by a new model as they have with the rest of the range.

Try to see if Hannah (Steve) did not yet sail out of France in his new Boreal 44. That is a first that you can test to see if it fits you.

That is very interesting your choice of boat and it will just fit in the purpose of this thread so please keep us posted about it.

Basically you have to decide if you want a Catamaran or a monohull. Catamarans are generally more expensive and a big one demands previous experience with cats in my opinion. Between monohulls you have to decide if you want a center-boarder or a full keel boat. I love the Cigale, old model and all, but the 16 is just better looking.

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Thanks for the inputs Paulo. I'll keep posting my findings here even though I still have a lot to learn about boat construction and design for them to be of common interest I guess. If you think my postings are getting too personal for the purpose of this thread I'd consider moving them for a more appropriate one.

Regarding my experience, I've chartered cats twice in the caribbean (horseman/leopard) around 40'. It was great for the vacation purpose, lots of space and payload capacity but very bad experience sailing wise. If money wasn't an issue I definitely would go with a outremer, for me, just the perfect balance between living area space, amenities(few) and sailing ability (said to be great). We visited both shipyards, outremer and catana, and the later impressed for the build quality and interior finish but the boat we visited, a 42 with 4 cabins you'd have to squeeze to go down from the salon to the cabins because of the placement of the heads. Shouldn't have 4 cabins on 42/45's !. The outremer 45 was an owners version setup and had one big head placed in front of the hull and another in the middle of the other hull, no problems moving around even though the salon area seems smaller than the catana's. The owner head is very spacious.

We don't have the money to afford a new boat, we're targeting a 10 years old one and since we started looking around we've been raising the bar continuously. As we don't have plans to keep the boat after our 3 years trip we are tempted to increase our initial budget in other to get it back easier later on, let see if this holds true at the end...

Leaving the cats arena, yesterday we briefly visited a RM 10.60, a X38, a pogo and a dufour 36E. We fell in love for the RM !! The setup is super!! Clean and light interior. We asked for a test and the guy offered a skippered day sail for 500 euros, we are considering because there would be very few, if none, other opportunities for us to test sail a RM after we return back home in Brazil but, well, it's expensive isn't it?

I'll check your new suggestions (Boreal 44 and the Allures 45 and 39) to see if I can find them around here to visit and still, if anybody have dealers/brokers/shipyards contacts in South of France that could share or recommend my list is wide open and growing!

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We don't have the money to afford a new boat, we're targeting a 10 years old one and since we started looking around we've been raising the bar continuously. As we don't have plans to keep the boat after our 3 years trip we are tempted to increase our initial budget in other to get it back easier later on, let see if this holds true at the end...

Leaving the cats arena, yesterday we briefly visited a RM 10.60, a X38, a pogo and a dufour 36E. We fell in love for the RM !! The setup is super!! Clean and light interior. We asked for a test and the guy offered a skippered day sail for 500 euros, we are considering because there would be very few, if none, other opportunities for us to test sail a RM after we return back home in Brazil but, well, it's expensive isn't it?

I'll check your new suggestions (Boreal 44 and the Allures 45 and 39) to see if I can find them around here to visit and still, if anybody have dealers/brokers/shipyards contacts in South of France that could share or recommend my list is wide open and growing!

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Renato
The problem is that you should not have doing what you are doing on the South of France but in de La Rochelle region that is where the boat builders including RM are. I test sailed there a RM 1200 for free and their public relations is a very nice guy.

So for a boat with 10 years I guess you should be looking for a RM 1200, an Allures 44 or an OVNI 435. The Cigale is also an option but they are pretty rare in the used market. Have a look at what you can find in the used market. All these boats will devalue slowly so you should not lose a lot of money for 3 years of use.

By the way, they presented the new 1360:




Blog RM Yachts | Chantier Fora Marine - Permettre de mieux connaitre les voiliers RM et d'échanger vos idées et vos expériences nautiques.

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