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Re: Dragonfly 32

Thanks guys, Im really looking forward to picking the boat up at the Quorning boats yard in May. In the mean time, heres a little video:


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Oceanis 38

Strange, Beneteau has a couple of pictures of the new Oceanis 38, Greece charter operator has 49 from the outside and 26 from the inside...

Strange with that silly rig - only 16,55 m above water level and 33+30 sqm of sail.

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New boat from Maxi Yachts/Delphia. To be ready at Boot, Dusseldorf 2014.

Single rudder, with main sheet fixed at cockpit table with dedicated winch. Designed by Pelle Pettersson.

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Strange, Beneteau has a couple of pictures of the new Oceanis 38, Greece charter operator has 49 from the outside and 26 from the inside...

Strange with that silly rig - only 16,55 m above water level and 33+30 sqm of sail.

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Test sailed the Oceanis 38 in Sweden today. Very light winds, 7-8 knots and really sh..ty sails. Furling main without battens was approximately the size of my sons Optimist-sail

Anyway, the boat still took off and made appr 5-6 knots high on the wind. The hull is rather high in the rear and release water very nice in these conditions. The same goes for running under engine. Shaft is also replaced with S-drive so engine very quiet and without vibrations.

Stearing rather heavy though, and wheels small but this was one of the 7 pre-production examples that are shown at boat shows and then evaluated before serial production starts in november.

The hull looks really nice but as Paulo, myself and others have said before, the rig, blocks, sheeting etc. needs refinement for active and nice sailing experience. I spoke in lenght with the swedish journalist representative in the European Yacht Jury. He had test sailed the boat this morning and he also thought it was really easy driven and very innovative. He agreed that Beneteau could partly replace the First line with this hull with a better rig.

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You are talking about 7/8k true wind, say 10/11K apparent doing 5/6K at 45 to the wind?

Regarding making a performance version it is not that simple. The boat has not much ballast (1790kg for 6340kg with a draft of about 2.00) and even if it has lots of hull stability with that big beam (3.99) for going upwind fast with an hard sea, more ballast would be needed. For having more ballast all the structure of the hull would have to be reinforced. Yes it would be possible but it would make for a much more expensive boat (with a bigger mast and bigger sails, better hardware, bigger winches). Besides that arch would have to go to give place to a proper travel. Benetau will not make it. It is not good business and it would be a boat hard to sell...for the price.

Yes, nice hull, but the boat is what it is, an Oceanis, made to be cheap and sail well in most circumstances (and that's not an easy thing) not a performance boat.

Regarding the outside I like some things and hate other, between them the big arch and the fat side of the boat (big freeboard) but I do like the interior in the version loft. That is just great for a couple. What a space for a 38ft.



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New boat from Maxi Yachts/Delphia. To be ready at Boot, Dusseldorf 2014.

Single rudder, with main sheet fixed at cockpit table with dedicated winch. Designed by Pelle Pettersson.

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That looks like a fantastic boat: more photos please, I cannot find them on the net.

It seems that when Delphia bought Maxi yachts, Pelle Petterson come as part of the deal, or at least his savoir faire. He was working for Maxi yacht on a more sportive boat that never saw the light. Maybe this one is a continuation of that development line that was different and more sportive than any Maxy yacht.

Maybe we are looking to the beginning of a new line of performance yachts on Delphia. It would be great. Delphia has great quality and great prices. In my opinion it only needed above average designs. Maybe that's the case now, with Pelle Petterson working with them.

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Instruments not calibrated but yes, taken into account the shitty sails, the hull seems very easily driven. Gelin, the journalist, test sailed same morning against the new Allures 39,9 and even if that perhaps is not the fastest on the water, the Oceanis was clearly faster.

Beneteaus First line, along many other yards performance lines, have for a long time had very traditional, unpractical and dull interiors, for my taste. At the same time the more interesting Oceanices has alwys had very unpractical rigs and hardware. Strange, the more unexperience oriented the yachts are, the more difficult they are to sail. So I agree with Gelin, put better rig and deck hardware on this hull and you get something interesting. Not perhaps a Pogo or Opium but pretty close and loaded with crusising gear boats does not plane anyway. Naturally nothing to compete on a race course with but a nice, modern cruiser with similar ballast ratios as many others but a more sexy hull and a remarkable interior. And finally some decent hull windows in the right places...

I found the new Maxi 1150 on seilas.no.

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.. So I agree with Gelin, put better rig and deck hardware on this hull and you get something interesting. Not perhaps a Pogo or Opium but pretty close and loaded with crusising gear boats does not plane anyway. Naturally nothing to compete on a race course with but a nice, modern cruiser with similar ballast ratios as many others but a more sexy hull and a remarkable interior. And finally some decent hull windows in the right places...

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Humm, Oceanis are on the low end of ballast ratio. As I said, with a bigger rig, a boat that would be fast in all conditions except upwind with weather where the ballast ratio is fundamental to give power to the boat to go against waves, specially a fat one like the new 38.

Also a tricky boat to sail (with a bigger rig), with that huge form stability giving power to the boat...but on a gust, with the boat lying down, not much RM to bring it back.

That is not by mistake that the boat has that rig and sail area. A substantially bigger one would increase the possibility of knock down... and the boat with a not famous final stability (low B/D ratio) would not be properly brilliant recovering from one of those figures.

Check it out the B/D ratio in relation with draft from the Pogo or the Opium (same kind of hull) and you will see the difference.

Hanse that is also using that king of hulls has a much more substantial B/D ratio, at least on the 40fter.

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