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New Luffe 3.6: Selvstyrer og kortplotter styres fra rorpind på ny Luffe 3.6 - minbaad.dk

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Saw her in real life, she's stunning and should sail like a dream as the other Luffe's do.
And even better craftmanship than Najad, HR, Malö etc.
I've been lusting after the one Luffe boat in Vancouver for quite a while... this one looks great too.
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I don't think you can uncomplicate that subject. Too many variables involved. B/D is not very important. What is important is location of VCG and the resultant righting arm. A boat with deep draft and a low B/D may in fact be a stiffer boat than a boat with shoal draft and a high B/D. Variables.

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I've been lusting after the one Luffe boat in Vancouver for quite a while... this one looks great too.
Used to race on a Luffe 37'er and lusted for one of those, but....
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Can we start a "not complicated" short discussion of using B/D as an indicator of stability, to get THAT out of the way once and for all as well?
B/D is only an indicator if a boat has the same draft, the same kind of keel and the same hull form stability (same type of hull with a similar beam). That was generically the case with the new Oceanis 38 if compared for instance with a Pogo 10.50, even if the Pogo is even beamier considering that it is a smaller boat. However the Pogo has not only more draft but a considerably bigger B/D ratio and therefore is a more stiff boat. On these boats with huge form stability that will be more noticeably on the conditions I have referred.

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Humm, Oceanis are on the low end of ballast ratio. As I said, with a bigger rig, a boat that would be fast in all conditions except upwind with weather where the ballast ratio is fundamental to give power to the boat to go against waves, specially a fat one like the new 38.

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Back on this thread that subject was discussed at length as well has the importance of draft and type of keel, hull form stability to give a proper meaning to the B/D ratio.


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Used to race on a Luffe 37'er and lusted for one of those, but....
That is a beautiful boat with a hull more modern than the old good 37. I have to say that after having visited the shipyard and had the pleasure to test sail the first 40.04 with Oluf Jørgensen in strong winds I am a fan. You can see the passion and love that Oluf puts in all his boats.

Of course the boat is very narrow (by modern standards) and that means sailing almost all the time with a considerable heel. That can be fun but also a bit more complicated while cruising, for instance while cooking. Wives tend also to hate heel...so that is a disadvantage but I bet that boat knives through the waves at least as well as all other Luffe. Another disadvantage in what regards cruising is that the 36.6 will have the interior space of a fat 33 or 34ft, I mean more mainstream performance cruisers like the Arcona.

But a Luffe is a boat that will withstand very well the passage of time (classical lines) and not many will grow old with the same dignity. I would only change that transom that looks dated, I mean not the hull but the way it is designed (closed transom looking like a GS from some years ago). Maybe that has to do with the very traditional kind of clients that are faithful to Luffe?

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I was in Kolding port last weekend and saw it live. She looked much fatter than all other Luffe boats may be because she she has very small wetted surface with high boards to gain good standing height inside. Craftmanship like you said - to the best. I got in love with the tiller. I am planning to have a test sail at the end of the month of both Luffe 37.09 and the new Luffe 3.6 to get the difference in sailing. Otherwise inside the difference is obvious.
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Rumen, keep us posted about that please and tell us why the boat seems not to have a traveler.

Oluf used to do that on less sportive boats (Luffe 43DS) but this seems to be a sportive boat.

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Moll:
I don't think you can uncomplicate that subject. Too many variables involved. B/D is not very important. What is important is location of VCG and the resultant righting arm. A boat with deep draft and a low B/D may in fact be a stiffer boat than a boat with shoal draft and a high B/D. Variables.
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I believe I had already talked about this interesting inexpensive fast daysailer/racer designed by Eugeniusz Ginter and made in Poland:







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Re: Interesting Sailboats

A bit angular looking, isn't it? (The NH Fun) Looks like a fun () ride, though. Other than the storage side, the 'cruising couches' are a nice solution to most race boats' lack of backrests.

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