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Re: Oceanis 38

Why won't we ever have exhilarating, choppy seas on videos and tests? This video is counterproductive, in my opinion. Now I see what was a potentially interesting boat as a "sissy boat", totally lame, delicate, unfit for a potential "real" ocean situation. If this video shows what Beneteaus are made FOR today, they better come up with some real hardcore stuff soon, and have the build quality behind it.
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Why won't we ever have exhilarating, choppy seas on videos and tests? This video is counterproductive, in my opinion. Now I see what was a potentially interesting boat as a "sissy boat", totally lame, delicate, unfit for a potential "real" ocean situation. If this video shows what Beneteaus are made FOR today, they better come up with some real hardcore stuff soon, and have the build quality behind it.
HMoll - But clearly you are not in the target market for the Oceanis 38, which is why the advertisement doesn't appeal to you. Based on what you are saying, you would more likely gravitate toward the Beneteau First line of performance cruisers, like the First 35 or First 40. The advertising for those boats would include video footage of the Fastnet Race and the Sydney-Hobart Race, featuring interpid men sailing upwind in 30 knots.

To be honest, I've seen the marketing videos for the First line and they're very similar to the Oceanis video, only with a bit more realistic sailing in them. But people like us are not influenced by videos, so Beneteau doesn't bother.

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Wow Paulo!!!! Over 1 million views on this thread!! Freakin' awesome!

Congrats on one of the best threads on the internet.
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Wow Paulo!!!! Over 1 million views on this thread!! Freakin' awesome!

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What he said. This is my must read thread on Sailnet.
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Oceanis 38

My wife likes going upwind - and still picked the Oceanis 38 as the boat of the show in the in water boat show at Hallberg-Rassy in August And I guess the video did not harm that picture in any way.

We have discussed the boat before and I still think we should look at this boat with open eyes. Despite very small sail area and bad sails the boat sailed well when I made a brief test in light winds. The same noted Seil-magazine from Norway in their short review of exactly the same boat, as did Swedish magazine testers.

I think hull is interesting, B/D-ratio very similar to many other contemporary designs today, including many of the new, beamy twin-rudder, chined French boats and the Elans, not to mention the other less expensive boats from Bavaria, Hanse etc.

Small rig with bad deckware can rather easy be replaced and retweaked with main sail traveller in cockpit etc. and the arc is perfect for stowing cockpit canopy against, a la Malö-style. At least up here the canopy is a constant problem as beeing too complicated to handle and stove.

Interior wonderful in our opinion. Can be tewaked for your own style. I have for instance through 7 different boats now tried to find a decent saloon layout for 3 persons to watch TV in in comfort but failed so far. Elan 333 from 2003 leading in that deparment still.

And my old Oceanis 40 was as good going to weather, in 25-30 knots of wind and the similar short waves of perhaps 1,5 m as Paulo mentioned from the med, as my previous boat, a very different Dehler 43 CWS. When I test sailed the RM1200 in 2009 it was much worse than the Oceanis. Yes, I know RM 1200 is not a wave piercer either but still twice the price. With twin rudders now on the Oceanis 38 perhaps also the broaching-problem when ower pressed is solved to a big extent.

I totally agree with Curt Gelin, the Swedish memeber in the European yacht Jury: "Beneteau has something nice here - new rig and better hardware and it could be really interesting."

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Ovni in Receivershiip??

I visited the ovni owners forum via the link posted a few pages back. Apparently they are in receivership according to this thread: The site Alubat in receivership: Rundown - Water Forum UFO Club

Very sad news. I believe they also mentioned the Alubat shipyard is also in financial trouble.
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Re: Oceanis 38

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My wife likes going upwind - and still picked the Oceanis 38 as the boat of the show in the in water boat show at Hallberg-Rassy in August And I guess the video did not harm that picture in any way.

We have discussed the boat before and I still think we should look at this boat with open eyes. Despite very small sail area and bad sails the boat sailed well when I made a brief test in light winds. The same noted Seil-magazine from Norway in their short review of exactly the same boat, as did Swedish magazine testers.

I think hull is interesting, B/D-ratio very similar to many other contemporary designs today, including many of the new, beamy twin-rudder, chined French boats and the Elans, not to mention the other less expensive boats from Bavaria, Hanse etc.

Small rig with bad deckware can ratherer easy be replaced and retweaked with main sail traveller in cokpit etc. and the arc is perfect for stowing cockpit canopy against, a la Malö-style. At least up here the canopy is a constant problem as beeing to complicated to handle and stove.

Interior wonderful in our opinion. Can be tewaked for your own style. I have for instance through 7 different boats now tried to find decent saloon layout for 3 persons to watch TV in in comfort but failed so far. Elan 333 from 2003 leading in that deparment still.

And my old Oceanis 40 was as good going to weather, in 25-30 knots of wind and the similar short waves of perhaps 1,5 m as Paulo mentioned from the med, as my previous boat, a very different Dehler 43 CWS. When I test sailed the RM1200 in 2009 it was much worse than the Oceanis. Yes, I know RM 1200 is not a wave piercer either but still twice the price. With twin rudders now on the Oceanis 38 perhaps also the broaching-problem when ower pressed is solwed to a big extent.

I totally agree with Curt Gelin, the Swedish memeber in the European yacht Jury: "Beneteau has something nice here - new rig and better hardware and it could be really interesting."

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Anders -

Yes, I have to agree with you that just looking at the hull design and interior, the Oceanis 38 is a boat with tremendous potential. As you note, with a more powered-up rig and improved hardware / rigging, this would be a very interesting boat indeed. Mainsheet controls definitely have to come off the arch and into the cockpit somehow, and winches will need upgrading - frankly, I'd be happy without the arch altogether, since its sole function is to get the mainsheet out of the cockpit, so ladies in evening gowns don't trip over it.

But ultimately it is that hull and interior concept that I find appealing, though I will reserve judgment until I have a chance to step aboard at the boat show (whenever that is, since I just missed the one in Newport).
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HMoll - But clearly you are not in the target market for the Oceanis 38, which is why the advertisement doesn't appeal to you. Based on what you are saying, you would more likely gravitate toward the Beneteau First line of performance cruisers, like the First 35 or First 40. The advertising for those boats would include video footage of the Fastnet Race and the Sydney-Hobart Race, featuring interpid men sailing upwind in 30 knots.

To be honest, I've seen the marketing videos for the First line and they're very similar to the Oceanis video, only with a bit more realistic sailing in them. But people like us are not influenced by videos, so Beneteau doesn't bother.

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Well, I've been paying close attention to any news on this boat because I think I AM target market, especially now that I'm possibly closing the deal on selling my own boat this weekend. . What I tried to point out before is that even for relaxed cruising, there's elements of safety, performance, seaworthiness, that are crucial and still should be top priorities in a sailboat purchase, no matter your sailing grounds, and this video transmits NONE of those. The video says "to be continued".

On another hand, I will admit that I drool over the new Pogo 30 and I wonder what they're sketching for the 10.50. Also, when will Dufour launch a new 40P...hmmm.

That 1,000,000 views is thanks to Paulo and a few other contributors. Soon to be 4 years!!! I check it EVERY day and enjoy EVERY post. Thanks to all, especially PCP.

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Re: Ac34

While I was in San Francisco last weekend, I had the opportunity to watch several of the AC34 races between OTUSA and ETNZ up close and personal. We were out practicing in the Melges 24 and decided to sail up to the AC starting area, just to the southeast of the Golden Gate Bridge. Being in a Melges 24, we were able to get in quite close to the action, for both the starting sequences and for the weather mark roundings.

Let me say that the spectacle of the big 72's blasting along on their foils is very impressive indeed, and seeing the action on the water is definitely the way to go, at least a few times. Otherwise, I think the racing is actually more enjoyable to watch on a video screen. In many respects, it is like any sport where the action takes place over an extended "playing field" - e.g., F1, cycling, skiing, etc. You get to see a little bit of the action right in front of you, but the rest takes place out of view, so you're not really witnessing "the race" per se.

Unfortunately, we missed the dramatic moment on Saturday when ETNZ nearly flipped the boat. However, we did witness the terrific second race on Sunday where the two boats swapped the lead all the way up the windward leg until ETNZ was able to snatch the lead by getting to the favored starboard gate, with more breeze and better angle on the north side of the course.

The one thing that stands out the most from watchng the boats in person is simply how fast they are going, in both directions. It just doesn't seem possible that boats this large are able to sail this fast and in almost total control - the tacking and gybing, for ETNZ in particular, was flawless, though OTUSA was showing much better form when we saw them than they had in the early races.

Anyway, looks like the Cup is heading to New Zealand, so perhaps we can look forward to something a bit more user-friendly next time around. Would prefer to see smaller boats with more teams and strict crew nationality requirements. No team should be able to call itself "___________Team USA" and have only 1-2 Americans on the boat (unless the boat is a Laser or 49er).

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"Would prefer to see smaller boats with more teams and strict crew nationality requirements. No team should be able to call itself "___________Team USA" and have only 1-2 Americans on the boat (unless the boat is a Laser or 49er). "

I'm with you there Anders.
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