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Thanks! So we are talking about less 500kg (not 1500g). That is nothing very radical, just a small improvement and should not be difficult with the alterations that are proposed. Sure, the boat will be slightly faster but still nothing like a Pogo, at least downwind. Anyway it is a good new and it will be a more interesting boat, no doubt
I talked with the Norwegian agent for Elan at the boat show here in Oslo two weeks ago.

Here is what he said
The first production boat of the Elan 400 weighed 8500kg, this is the boat all the sail magazines have tested.

The Elan 400s is 7000 kg and the standard 400 is 7500 kg

The reduction if 1000 kg from the first boat come form removing some heavy equipment (hydraulic gangway and more)



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I must say I am surprised how Elan can send a totally naked, not even teak in cockpit, boat to shows and test and on top of it having it 1000 - 1500 kg above "normal" weight.

In the video I was impressed by the clean wake, I guess due to more rocker/higher chines. Speed not that impressive though, they are speaking swedish and norwegian and saying 20 knots of wind and 9,5-9,8 knots of speed with code zero or gennaker. In the end they hit 11, 8 which is nice, though.

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I must say I am surprised how Elan can send a totally naked, not even teak in cockpit, boat to shows and test and on top of it having it 1000 - 1500 kg above "normal" weight.

In the video I was impressed by the clean wake, I guess due to more rocker/higher chines. Speed not that impressive though, they are speaking swedish and norwegian and saying 20 knots of wind and 9,5-9,8 knots of speed with code zero or gennaker. In the end they hit 11, 8 which is nice, though.

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Read these articles (in Norwegian) to get some more background.

Fjord Sail gir seg med Elan - SEILmagasinet
Fjord Sail og Elan fortsetter - SEILmagasinet

The short version, the Norwegian distributor resigned from a 15 years cooperation with Elan in February 2013 due to disagreement with Elan on their new boats.

In May 2013 he again started to sell Elan in Norway.
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Read these articles (in Norwegian) to get some more background.

Fjord Sail gir seg med Elan - SEILmagasinet
Fjord Sail og Elan fortsetter - SEILmagasinet

The short version, the Norwegian distributor resigned from a 15 years cooperation with Elan in February 2013 due to disagreement with Elan on their new boats.

In May 2013 he again started to sell Elan in Norway.
I have myself worked with the former Swedish Elan importer for a couple of years and also know Tor from that time. I also bought a new Elan 333 in 2003. I smiled for myself when I earlier read that Fjord Sail will stop with Elan due to among other things warranty problems. We had same problems in Sweden.

Going back to the 400 I basically think Elan is doing the right thing making it slightly more traditional. I do not think Elan are prepeared to make the boats as extreme as the Pogos and then they will not plane without very big efforts. Accepting semi-planing speeds and improving up- and downwind and light wind speeds might be the way many are going today.

By the way, I sailed hard on the wind today, TWS 20-28 knots and 2-3 m high swell from Scotland. Two reefs and staysail. Boat behaving excellent, no hard slams and appr. 6,5-7 knots speed at 35-40 AWA. Very saitisfied with how the boat took it.

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Unfortunately, we missed the dramatic moment on Saturday when ETNZ nearly flipped the boat. However, we did witness the terrific second race on Sunday where the two boats swapped the lead all the way up the windward leg until ETNZ was able to snatch the lead by getting to the favored starboard gate, with more breeze and better angle on the north side of the course.

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Anyway, looks like the Cup is heading to New Zealand, so perhaps we can look forward to something a bit more user-friendly next time around. Would prefer to see smaller boats with more teams and strict crew nationality requirements. No team should be able to call itself "___________Team USA" and have only 1-2 Americans on the boat (unless the boat is a Laser or 49er).

Go Kiwis!



Yes, quite impressive. I am not sure that if the Kiwis won the cup they will change the boat. These boats are just the sailing F1 and they should be just that. They also proved that they are able to offer great match racing and a great video spectacle. They are not boring to watch for the general public as the more traditional monohulls were.

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And on the other fixed wing championship....Cammas is ahead:



Veni, vidi, vinci....That's Cammas moto. He is doing the same that he has done in the Volvo Ocean Race. How many rookies in any sport at the highest level can win at the first go?
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I talked with the Norwegian agent for Elan at the boat show here in Oslo two weeks ago.

Here is what he said
The first production boat of the Elan 400 weighed 8500kg, this is the boat all the sail magazines have tested.

The Elan 400s is 7000 kg and the standard 400 is 7500 kg

The reduction if 1000 kg from the first boat come form removing some heavy equipment (hydraulic gangway and more)

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I believe the boat will be lighter but taking away 1500kg out of a 8500kg boat? Only if they make an all in Carbon. Those statements are always to take with a bit of salt, specially if they come from dealers. Anyway it will depend on the draft (a 2.7m draft boat versus a 2.0m boat can be about 400kg lighter). If they offer it in epoxy versus normal resins it will be 350kg lightewer, they can take way some heavy equipment and that would not be probably more than 200/300kg and that for a much more "naked" boat.

Anyway 8500kg for a modern performance 40ft was too much.

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Going back to the 400 I basically think Elan is doing the right thing making it slightly more traditional. I do not think Elan are prepeared to make the boats as extreme as the Pogos and then they will not plane without very big efforts. Accepting semi-planing speeds and improving up- and downwind and light wind speeds might be the way many are going today.
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The problem here is that you look at the Elan hull and the first idea is that it is a planning boat. Well, it is not, at least like a Pogo is. For that the boat should not weight 8000kg but 5000/6000kg.

Regarding how goods and fast the boat will be, well, let's wait for some racing results or at least comparative testing. I am not impressed with what I saw till know (Yacht.de sail test).

This does not mean that the boat will not be a great performance cruiser just that it is not what it looks, I mean, almost a racing boat.

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