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Paulo,

Since you left out the Salona 41 and the RM 1060 from your personal boat of the year awards, can I assume you were disappointed by them?
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Sorry about my English

Yes of course, yes you are right about "sympathized". Sympathy: Funny how an English word that comes from the French and has its origin in the Greek can lose half of its original meaning. In Portuguese or French sympathy (simpatia/ sympathie) can also mean "Fell sorry for " but in much a lesser extent than "feeling attracted for someone".

But then I found this definition of sympathy on wikipedia and this one goes along with what I mean to say:

"Sympathy is a social affinity in which one person stands with another person, closely understanding his or her feelings."

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So I am a little confused This meaning of the word "Sympathy" does not seems to exist on Australian English. Does it exist on American English, or only in English English

About this:

"If you are not going around the world in it, or living permanently abroad, the three cabin version has the space needed for living comfortably."

Sorry about that, it should be like this:

"If you are not going around the world in it, or living permanently aboard, the three cabin version has the space needed for living comfortably." And I mean that the boat has all the storage spaces needed to have all things you need on the boat.

About the galley. The photo is from the Dufour 40e, but you are right about the galley on the 409. I can not find photos that show that directly but if you look at the existing interior images you will see that the cabinets over the counter are double ones. I mean in two rows and that provides very useful storage space.

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Paulo,
No one will ever argue that English makes any sense. Very strange language indeed. To be sympathetic is to feel an affinity towards, yes, but to sympathise is usually taken to mean feeling sorry for. Strictly speaking your usage was correct but in the course of ordinary discourse empathise would have been the more likely word to use. So in using sympathise most people would asume you meant he was having a rough time of it and you felt sorry for the guy.

Anyway, that is of no great import. What you were saying about the 409 is that you think she is too small for full time or at least long term liveaboard ?

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.... What you were saying about the 409 is that you think she is too small for full time or at least long term liveaboard ?

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Hey Andrews,

Today I am just having trouble in make myself clear

No, it is just the opposite, this boat has an unusually good storage space for a 40ft. What I mean is that if I buy one of those I will probably buy the one with 3 cabins, because the available storage space is so good that I could live with it without needing the extra storage space provided by the two version cabin boat. If needed an occasional partial occupation of one of the cabins will be enough.

The boat has on the back of the transom two deep vertical big storage spaces. They need to be properly divided (that is to be expected in a big production boat) but they have enough space for all the fenders and mooring lines. You have also a separated dedicated locker for the liferaft. You have two big storage spaces under the cockpit seats and the anchor locker is real big, big enough to carry a lot of garbage bags and the anchor chain. Inside, most of the space under the saloon seats is storage space and on the front cabin, under the bed there are a separated large space that you can easily access (without removing the cushions). That's were normally all security equipment is stored.

On the saloon there are 10 small cabinets, two drawers, three larger cabinets, a big freezer and a dedicated space for the micro waves. The front cabin has two big closets and each other cabin another big one. The head has two cabinets with good storage and a separated shower.

My wife is pretty picky with the storage space (the Bavaria 36 had a lot of storage space) and has just loved this boat and its storage spaces so much that has managed to convince me in test sailing it

Well, I have also taken a look at the stability curve and the boat polar speed...and they look good



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I never see photos or videos showing the dinghy with the boat?
Do any vessel manufacturers give this any thought??
Davits for bluewater cruising don't make sense to me.
So, I guess the only option is tying the dinghy down, up forward.
This always seems like an afterthought (or no thought) with the production boat manufacturers. Am I alone in thinking this way?
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Some of the larger boats are starting to incorporate 'garages' under the cockpits for tenders. Maxis have done this for a while, of course (with room for seadoos, and other toys too)

Years ago the Hunter 54 (mid 80s) provided such a space - so there's really never anything really 'new'...
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Nemier,

I thought about you when I visited the Cigale 16 . That one would solve all your problems. Your wife would love it and you would love sailing it. You just have to buy it and when you do it, please invite me for a ride. What a boat!! perfection in all sectors (and I don't mean unnecessary luxury, I mean comfort, storage, seaworthiness and sail power).

Nemier, that one comes with a garage for the dinghy, an open one, but also a big one. I think the Cigale (then called Levrier des Mers - Finot designed) was the first one of the "small" yachts to develop that concept, back on the 80's.

Funny thing about the Cigale is that unlike some big boats that fell like big fat boats when you look at them from the wheel post, on the Cigale you fell the boat has just the right size.

Regarding smaller boats I think that good designers think about that even if that does not show on the catalogs. It just makes the boat uglier and that does not sell boats. Take a look at the Dufour 425 cockpit. Look at that big space next to the traveler without any hatches. It only makes sense because it is the space where the dinghy travels sideways. The handhold that are there are perfect to tie it and the spinnaker halyard will drop the boat there if you pull it alone. That's too much perfection to be coincidence .



I have sailed that boat and that's a perfect place for the dinghy, sailing on anchor or at the marina, the dinghy is never a nuisance.

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Regarding smaller boats I think that good designers think about that even if that does not show on the catalogs. It just makes the boat uglier and that does not sell boats. Take a look at the Dufour 425 cockpit. Look at that big space after the traveler without any hatches. It only makes sense because it is the space where the dinghy travels sideways. The handhold that are there are perfect to tie it and the spinnaker halyard will drop the boat there if you pull it alone. That's too much perfection to be coincidence .



I have sailed that boat and that's a perfect place for the dinghy, sailing on anchor or at the marina, the dinghy is never a nuisance.

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OK Paulo, now you really have me confused. Aft of the traveller is the main companionway hatch.
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OK Paulo, now you really have me confused. Aft of the traveller is the main companionway hatch.
In Portuguese 'after' means 'just forward of'
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Paulo,
I was somewhat confused , yes, but I guessed you meant the area forward of the travellor between the coachroof grabrails ? Logic suggest that is what you meant but I did take 'after' to mean 'aft of'. `
I figure the english word most apt would have been 'adjacent'.
Anywho , do carry on. In my travels I have often received apologies about other people's poor English. My standard reply has always been 'well your English is better than my Spanish/Italian/French'.
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