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The problem here is that you look at the Elan hull and the first idea is that it is a planning boat. Well, it is not, at least like a Pogo is. For that the boat should not weight 8000kg but 5000/6000kg.

Regarding how goods and fast the boat will be, well, let's wait for some racing results or at least comparative testing. I am not impressed with what I saw till know (Yacht.de sail test).

This does not mean that the boat will not be a great performance cruiser just that it is not what it looks, I mean, almost a racing boat.

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Totally agree.

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Re: Oceanis 38

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Why won't we ever have exhilarating, choppy seas on videos and tests? This video is counterproductive, in my opinion. Now I see what was a potentially interesting boat as a "sissy boat", totally lame, delicate, unfit for a potential "real" ocean situation. If this video shows what Beneteaus are made FOR today, they better come up with some real hardcore stuff soon, and have the build quality behind it.
Sometimes they do in testing but that is just not the type of boat that will perform better on those conditions. I still say that the Oceanis worst performance will be in upwind sailing in choppy sea or bad weather. If one wants a boat that performs well on those conditions it should look for a more moderate beam and most of all to a more powerful boat (more overal RM).

If we look at the market we can see that the main difference between performance boats and main mass market cruisers is that the first are less beamy (with exception of particular boats like the Pogo) and have a considerable bigger RM for the weight. That is managed by a bigger draft or and by a bigger B/D ratio.

That bigger RM to the weight is what allows them to have a bigger SA/D and that allows them not only going faster in light wind but also to have the power to go faster upwind specially in bad weather were power is of the essence. Of course they can go faster in any point of sail but the bigger difference would be on these two points and also in what regards pointing.

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Thanks!

Thanks for the nice words about this thread.

What keeps me going is you guys.

Around this thread and posting in it there are a lot of interesting sailors that sail new boats or have a lot of experience in several types of recent boats. Nice to have all your contributions that makes for a great thread and increase my knowledge on new boats and their comparative performance.

Thank you all!


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Xc 35

Xc 35

The new baby cruiser from the more luxurious and less performance oriented line of XC yachts.

A great cruiser I am sure.


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out again!

I am posting from a restaurant in an incredible place in Sicily (last post was 500NM back), Cape Tindary, Laghetto de Marinello). Very nice shelter and a lovely place.

Next I will sail to Rome trough the Islands (Eolian Islands, Ponza) so I will be out again for more than a week and till middle of October my participation will be reduced but that seems not to be a problem to the thread due to your
contribution. Thanks again, it is being really nice to read your posts.

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I am posting from a restaurant in an incredible place in Sicily (last post was 500NM back), Cape Tindary, Laghetto de Marinello). Very nice shelter and a lovely place.

Next I will sail to Rome trough the Islands (Eolian Islands, Ponza) so I will be out again for more than a week and till middle of October my participation will be reduced but that seems not to be a problem to the thread due to your
contribution. Thanks again, it is being really nice to read your posts.

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Have a nice cruise. We are also out 3-4 days per week for some more weeks. Wonderful weather still, sailed downwind yesterday north of Gothenbourg, in 8-12 knots of wind and all crew was sun bathing on foredeck.

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Is your opinion on the Elan 360 better than on the 400, Paulo?

I am still waiting for a new Pogo 10.50 or better a 11.0/11.50 with a fixed keel option...
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Is your opinion on the Elan 360 better than on the 400, Paulo?

I am still waiting for a new Pogo 10.50 or better a 11.0/11.50 with a fixed keel option...
Yes, it is strange that Pogo, RM, Archambault and Elan, among others, still all have a 1050/1060 and then a 1200 or similar. Why not the very popular size 38 feet/11-1150? Only JKP 38 in there.

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I am posting from a restaurant in an incredible place in Sicily (last post was 500NM back), Cape Tindary, Laghetto de Marinello). Very nice shelter and a lovely place.

Next I will sail to Rome trough the Islands (Eolian Islands, Ponza) so I will be out again for more than a week
Fair winds Paulo. One of the best weeks of my life was sailing through this area. Just Beautiful.

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Anyway, looks like the Cup is heading to New Zealand, so perhaps we can look forward to something a bit more user-friendly next time around.

Go Kiwis!
I'm sure most thought Oracle was done, but what a comeback from 8-1! Truly an exciting race.
Hopefully there will be a rule change to ensure the nationality of the crew matches the flag on the wing.
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