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I'm sure most thought Oracle was done, but what a comeback from 8-1! Truly an exciting race.
Hopefully there will be a rule change to ensure the nationality of the crew matches the flag on the wing.
We won't see the best racers then...
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We won't see the best racers then...
Quite a few of the best racers in the world were not involved in the AC:

Franck Cammas, Torben Grael, Robert Scheidt, and many more. So it is not asking too much to either implement nationality requirements or stop referring to the campaigns by nationality - i.e., Team Oracle or Team Emirates. Since corporate sponsorship is clearly the driving force, why bother with countries at all?

Now that the spectacle is over, we can focus on the Mini Transat and all of those very interesting 6.5M boats.
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Oceanis 38

German Yacht tested the Oceanis 38 in the last issue. Seldom have they given a test so many pages and so early in the magazine. Unfortunately only 8 knots of wind. They where in general very positive. Remark, also the arc is an option and boom can be sheeted to cockpit floor if wanted. The new 31 and 34 willbe similar. Next year also a swing keel version will be sold.

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Yacht recorded 6,8 knots at 90 degree and TWS 8 knots and 5,9 knots at 45 degrees. Pretty good at that wind speed.

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Fair winds Paulo. One of the best weeks of my life was sailing through this area. Just Beautiful.
Yes, more 350Nm and back in Rome, Fumicino were I am leaving the boat. I will pass the publicity by this is one of the best places to leave a boat or even to pass the winter aboard: 5km to the airport, 30km to Rome, 200m to the supermarket and to a cheap and good Chinese restaurant, 1,5km to center of Fumicino.

My friend Luca is a perito navale and an expert in repairing boats he is improving the place that has a beautiful natural scenery. It is always quiet even on stormy days and the price is fair, better than what we would expect near Rome: Last year it was 1900 euros + Vat from October to June.

By the way Fumicino means small river and that it is what this is, a small river packed with boats on both shores.

Chall, the problem in sailing in Italy or Sicily is that there are not many natural harbors to stay on anchor. Lots of expensive marinas (cheap here is 50 euros, most cost 80 and some 200) and even a buoy costs 35 euros.

Well they had them, I mean natural harbors, but transformed them in huge industrial ports or in natural reserves were you have to have a special permit to anchor. Still some nice ones but far away, I mean sometimes more than 80/100nm between them. In Greece on that range you will have 4 or 5 and so good you will be amazed how nature can create so many perfect natural ports.

More wind in Greece also, specially in the Aegean where you will rarely have to use the engine. From Sicily to Fumicino I had to motor most of the way (no wind at all ) and only the last 70nm where done downwind with a F6 (sometimes over 11k). Food and restaurants are also cheaper and I would say that people is more friendly especially in small places.

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I would have preferred that interior in cherry instead of mahogany. They made at Luffe a fabulous non glossy cherry interior, even nicer than teak.
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German Yacht tested the Oceanis 38 in the last issue. Seldom have they given a test so many pages and so early in the magazine. Unfortunately only 8 knots of wind. They where in general very positive. Remark, also the arc is an option and boom can be sheeted to cockpit floor if wanted. The new 31 and 34 willbe similar. Next year also a swing keel version will be sold.

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Yacht recorded 6,8 knots at 90 degree and TWS 8 knots and 5,9 knots at 45 degrees. Pretty good at that wind speed.

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Yes, it is strange that Pogo, RM, Archambault and Elan, among others, still all have a 1050/1060 and then a 1200 or similar. Why not the very popular size 38 feet/11-1150? Only JKP 38 in there.

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Yes, not bad for a mass market boat. A 38ft performance cruiser would be considerably faster. Have a look at this test on the Salona 38 (Voile and voiliers), with one less knot of wind the Salona makes the same speed at 45 degrees and one knot of wind on that range (6/8K) is a lot, I mean the boat will go almost 1K faster with that extra knot of wind.

http://www.salonayachts.com/document...rs-11-2011.pdf

By the way the Salona 38 has won its first major race in Helsinki. The second was a Salona 37

Ranking 2013

Regarding boats with 38ft the French have not many but the Italian have plenty, starting by the Comet 38 that had a great performance on the last ORCI world championship.

http://www.comaryachts.it/images/Boa...2008%20n.1.PDF

Comet 38 and Salona 38 will have a close performance but one far better than the Oceanis 38.

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Yes that was truly amazing for Oracle, what a come back and the big question is how it was possible: While the NZ claim they were using on the second boat (the one that was used on the victory lane) an illegal ? electronic/computerized system to increase stability (SAS) while others say that the second boat was highly modified, with asymmetric hulls, mast more aft, bigger foils on the rudder and a mechanical system to adjust mechanically the main foils. It seems that the issue regards that adjust on the main foils being computer driven or not.

It would not surprise me that they had used a computer driven system and I am pretty sure it would be more effective. It is good to remember that fast aircraft use computer aided systems and would be probably impossible to fly them without.

Anyway it seems a lot of modifications to be made on just two weeks. It was obvious that they considered two weeks ago the first boat better...so, I guess that we would still hear more about this.

Regarding the AC to be a nations cup, with crews and designers belonging to each country, I could not agree more. The Youth AC cup had lead the way in that direction with nation teams: First and second were NZ teams, the third the Portuguese one. The first American team (out of two) come only in 5th, being the second American team last.

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Is your opinion on the Elan 360 better than on the 400, Paulo?

I am still waiting for a new Pogo 10.50 or better a 11.0/11.50 with a fixed keel option...
Well, the Pogo 10.50 as it is is a great boat and has a fixed keel option. I would say that the biggest disadvantage is a quite nude interior, even if practical for a kind of spartan cruise, even for voyaging. Regarding that a new one would not be different (they need that spartan interior to keep the weight down) and the advantage in performance would be minimal, just a slightly more modern look is what you would get.

The option regarding a boat with a better interior and not very different performances, I mean same kind of performance, would be the JPK 38.

Regarding the Elan I have not information enough to give you an answer. The 400 had a weight problem and has been put on diet. We will see the results. For the 360 is too soon to know, besides I have been sailing and not reading boat tests Anyway they are different boats, I mean a 36ft is way different from a 40ft, in performance, stability and sea motion.

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Re: Oceanis 38

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Yes, not bad for a mass market boat. A 38ft performance cruiser would be considerably faster. Have a look at this test on the Salona 38 (Voile and voiliers), with one less knot of wind the Salona makes the same speed at 45 degrees and one knot of wind on that range (6/8K) is a lot, I mean the boat will go almost 1K faster with that extra knot of wind.

http://www.salonayachts.com/document...rs-11-2011.pdf

By the way the Salona 38 has won its first major race in Helsinki. The second was a Salona 37

Ranking 2013

Regarding boats with 38ft the French have not many but the Italian have plenty, starting by the Comet 38 that had a great performance on the last ORCI world championship.

http://www.comaryachts.it/images/Boa...2008%20n.1.PDF

Comet 38 and Salona 38 will have a close performance but one far better than the Oceanis 38.

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First of all, we can not totally relay on boat speed and wind speed numbers - instrument calibration can (are often in my opinion) be very off and current influencing also. But we can get the big picture.

Most of these italian and other boats, that I would call rather traditional, would never make my wifes nor mine shortlist due to not fullfilling other aspects that we ealuate modern, interesting boats from, mostly talking about interior design and contact with nature but also hull shapes and keel/rudder configurations. And modern looks. But taste is of course different.

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