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I wanted to post this link as well. I like the concept of affordable, well built boat, and this time i even like the interior. It is rather simple and minimalistic, but I could easily deal with that having a 37-footer for a price of a32-footer loaded with mahogany. Just a boat meant for sailing... I wonder how fast will it be...
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L?Océan 35 en mots et en images ! | Attitude Ocean

Does anyone know about this one?
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Varianta 37

Yes, I agree with both of you. It seems that the Varianta has revue the target market and while the bigger boat seems to be pointed to club racing this one points to cruising and a truly unbeatable price, as you say, a 37ft for the price of a 32ft.



Contrary to the Varianta 44 this one has a good anchor locker (the winch is an extra) and a simple but very nice interior, much more nicer than the one on the 44.

The boat is simple but has all things you need to cruise. Of course, I would put an anchor winch, bigger sail winches, a lazy bag and a traveler, but even so the boat would be cheaper than anything on the market.

A very nice stability curve, a well built solid boat and a boat that sails very well with an agreeable interior...what we do need more for cruising?

I guess this one is going to sell much better than the 44. The base price is a bit over 70 000 euros without tax.



















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have heard about it when it was a project. No it is in the water and it looks just great and that should not surprise looking to the ones that designed it:

IDesign : Franck DARNET Design
Architectes : Ronan GUERIN – Gildas PLESSIS – François LUCAS

These guys are among the most new generation innovative NA and the boat is light and certainly fast with a great interior....it cannot be cheap (232 000 euros), but it is certainly a very interesting boat. They are working on a 38fter now.









http://nautisme.lefigaro.fr/actualit...rmant-3140.php

http://www.attitude-ocean.com/la-gamme/ocean-35/



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have heard about it when it was a project. No it is in the water and it looks just great and that should not surprise looking to the ones that designed it:

IDesign : Franck DARNET Design
Architectes : Ronan GUERIN – Gildas PLESSIS – François LUCAS

These guys are among the most new generation innovative NA and the boat is light and certainly fast with a great interior....it cannot be cheap (232 000 euros), but it is certainly a very interesting boat. They are working on a 38fter now.









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Would love to see a VPP. Will it be similar to the Malango 1045 or even Pogo 10.50? What do you think about the closed and small Cockpit?
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Is it likely that the Varianta line will ever make it to the US? I wish that one of the US manufacturers would take a page outta Hanse's book and try to build a lower cost boat that could be good for families to start getting out there. That would be a base price of just under 100K for a new 37' boat. That is a SIGNIFICANT difference than anything available here and it is a great design for sailing rather than a compromise boat.

Are you listening out there builders? We wonder why there are not so many young families getting into sailing. If you scale this approach down, what could you have for a 25 or 30 footer?
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Great video indeed, Paulo!

Bright sunshine, broad reach apparent wind, I guess around 25knts of TWS and nice waves, could one ask for more ?

I think at least a few lessons can be learned, as I did myself in almost exactly the same conditions eight weeks ago.
Surfing down the waves under full white sails and at 13-16 knts boat speed over the last few hours. The predicted windshift from S to SW came exactly in time for our strategic gybe immediately offshore of the Maasvlakte (South approach to Rotterdam) .

Pure sailing pleasure, only we had the NKE autopilot under control.
In true wind mode, I still feel it did a much better job than the helmsman on this video. Although it’s of course hard to say without knowing this particular boat, it seems to me he is overactive at the wheel and therefore somewhat out of control.

Anyway, when a strong gust hit us, even the smart autopilot and the twin rudders of our 12.50 lost control, leading to a very slow and gentle broach, as usual.

Then I became overactive myself.
I took over the helm, thinking I could make a better recovery than the NKE. First mistake.

Then I stood up to release the downhoal –which of course I should have done in the first place-, still holding the tiller in the other hand. Second mistake.
“One hand for the ship, one hand for yourself”. A basic rule I never miss to stress at every security briefing with any crew before setting off.

So there I stood free, one hand at the tiller and the other almost reaching the downhaul on the coach roof winch, when one of those rotten, steep ground waves hit the hull.
I don’t think we even reached 35° of heel but the impact catapulted me onto the low cockpit bench. My wife was in the cabin, saw me flying by and thought I ended overboard. Which I probably would have on a less beamy and stable boat.

Then the boat –even gently and all by itself- recovered, leaving the skipper with a fractured forearm and an even more damaged ego.
Third and probably most important lesson learned: a good boat will take good care of her crew.

Plus: even if your wife mostly sails “passively” as mine does, when the s**t hits the fan she will perfectly know what to do, first as a dedicated nurse and then as a very efficient co-skipper/crew/trouble manager/psychotherapist.
She, the Pogo and the NKE brought us quickly and safely to Scheveningen. Where we “enjoyed” the extremely professional but equally inefficient Dutch “emergency” care, but that’s another story.

Two months later I hope the plaster will come off soon and yesterday I sent a diver down to free our propeller from the barnacles that inevitably grow on a boat that is left unused for too long .

Returning to the video, also there some valuable lessons can be learned.
Except overactive, the helmsman also seems insufficiently anticipating to me. When surfing down a nice wave you bare down because the apparent wind lessens and comes more forward because of the increasing speed. But unless luffing in time before hitting the wave upfront , the sudden loss of speed (rudder) and increasing/giving apparent wind (sail pressure) means trouble. Nose down (especially with an over-trimmed foresail), broach or –the worst- an uncontrolled gybe.

Anyway, I would not dare to sail in these conditions without an efficient gybe preventer.
And certainly not without everyone on board wearing a decent life jacket!

Best regards,

Eric
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Great post, Eric.. sorry to hear of your injury.. but very glad to hear of your ongoing adventures on your new boat!!

Kudos to your wife/nurse/therapist!!

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Thanks Faster, me and my wife/nurse/crew/shrink very much appreciate your empathy!

The bone will heal soon, the ego will probably take some more time.

But the bottom line is: there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it .

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