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It is said that there are 2 bowsprit lengths available. Does anyone know about this? What will be the advantage of a shorter one?
The French “Voile Magazine” (last edition, October 2013) tested the Django 6.70, a cruising version of their Mini 6.50 Dingo 2. This Django also has a bowsprit useable in two lengths. One (extended) for the spinnaker and the other (half retracted) for the code 0, they say.
Using a bowsprit, spinnaker and code 0 myself, this makes sense to me.

The further you can bring the tack of an asymmetric spinnaker forward, the less it will be influenced by the mainsail and the better your downwind VMG will be. Mini 6.50’s even have swinging bowsprits to bring the spinnaker to windward and enable them to go even deeper downwind.

A code 0 is more about (close) reaching, when you prefer to stay within the influence of the mainsail because of its upwash (giving apparent wind) and shorten the luff for better upwind performance.

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Waw…
May be 60 K is a bit exaggerated (you know, Italians, Berlusconi and such things ) but this is certainly quite a blow!

As an antidote, here’s a short video of easy sailing for handicapped skippers :
https://www.dropbox.com/l/sYGzYM3Fl3DW46UsWH9Nnt

Thanks to our dear friend and colleague Jim, my excellent crew/company/cameraman last Sunday.

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Very funny, I mean the handicapped skipper and a very nice video.

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Would love to see a VPP. Will it be similar to the Malango 1045 or even Pogo 10.50? What do you think about the closed and small Cockpit?
The hull is not very different from the one of a Pogo 10.50, with just about 8 less cm of beam but the boat has a much better cruising interior and that means a more heavy boat. The Pogo 10.50 light weight is only 3.600kg while they announce for the Ocean 35 a weight between 3800 kg and 5500kg. This difference seems to me too much to be the difference between minimum sailing condition and max load (on a 35ft that should be about 1000kg) so they are talking probably about a light weight of a much more naked boat in what regards 3800kg. Certainly a boat with the great cruising interior that we can see on the pictures would weight more even if the 5500kg seems too much to me...

Bottom point, yes probably the Ocean 35 can be almost as fast or as fast has the Pogo 10.50 but on a lighter version (in what regards the interior) than the one that is pictured on their site, this one:



Miracles are hard to get and there is a reason for that rather naked and somewhat poor interior on the Pogo



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Mini Transat

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Mini Transat - Départ le 13 octobre 2013 by minitransat

it starts in 3 days and it is more international and interesting than ever:

"Seven Italians on the line
They are the great leaders of the Mediterranean races. The Italians found in the Mini Transat an escape from and elitist yachting still steeped in maritime tradition....

Antipodeans and Americans
Some do not hesitate to come from far away to attend. And two Australians will be on the starting line, namely Richard Hewson and Katrina Ham. Another representative of the southern hemisphere, the South African Craig Horsfield will also join the group...Jeffrey MacFarlane is a man determined to race the Mini Transat no matter what obstacles are put in his way. Originally from the United States, he participated in the pre-season races in the Mediterranean before his boat was shipwrecked in a gale. Determined to participate at any cost, he decided to rent the prototype of Czech navigator Milan Kolacek, which had claimed the Champion of France title, and he has battled through all the qualifying events to be present at the start. A good boat, unwavering determination, perhaps Jeffrey will follow the footsteps of Norton Smith? We must not forget the Canadian Diane Reid who intends to try her luck in a series boat. ..

European melting pot
Four Spanish navigators, three Swiss and three Belgians, a Hungarian, an Estonian, a Brit, one German and one Dutch - Europe is present in all its diversity. Hungary’s Aron Meder, is an old hand at offshore racing and has already sailed around the world on a lake boat of less than six meters. The Dutchman Robert Rosen Jacobson is a repeat offender. This particularly active retired 62 year old already has several Mini Transat under his keel. He is best known for never letting up, sometimes pushing his boats beyond their reasonable limits. ...

The course 2013: returns to its origins
Leg one - Douarnenez to Arrecife (Lanzarote): 1200 miles.
Leg two - Arrecife to Pointe a Pitre: 2800 miles.

Dates
Prologue 'Tout commence en Finistère' October 6, 2013.
Start from Douarnenez October 13, 2013 at 13h. Arrival in the Canary Islands between 23 and 26 October 2013.
Start from Canary Islands November 9, 2013. Arrival in Guadeloupe between 23 and 30 November 2013. "


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Sail-World.com : Mini-Transat 2013 - The most international of offshore races

Historique | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

Proto vs Série | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre
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The boat looks great...except on the interior and that's a pity. Why the hell do you need a settee on the galley on that position? That space could and should be used to improve the galley.

I think these settees are meant for short handed racing, especially the Transquadra where the Sun Fast 3200 made its reputation. On watch you can take a sheltered rest on both tacks, your weight in the right position (centered and on the high side), with a hatch right above your head to keep an eye on the Windex and mainsail, ready to jump into the cockpit for maneuvering.

The Pogo 30, also clearly designed with the Transquadra in mind (no 10.50 ever participated because it didn’t fit the inclusion criteria, I think because of the keel), features the same settees on both sides, plus a frontal window in the coachroof for a forward view on the jib/spinnaker.

For cruising purposes the settee next to the galley can be switched for a hinged burner/oven and I suppose Jeanneau will also offer this option on the Sun Fast to improve the galley.

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Mini Transat - Départ le 13 octobre 2013 by minitransat

it starts in 3 days and it is more international and interesting than ever:

...

The course 2013: returns to its origins
Leg one - Douarnenez to Arrecife (Lanzarote): 1200 miles.
Leg two - Arrecife to Pointe a Pitre: 2800 miles.

Dates
Prologue 'Tout commence en Finistère' October 6, 2013.
Start from Douarnenez October 13, 2013 at 13h. Arrival in the Canary Islands between 23 and 26 October 2013.
Start from Canary Islands November 9, 2013. Arrival in Guadeloupe between 23 and 30 November 2013. "[/COLOR]

more here:

Sail-World.com : Mini-Transat 2013 - The most international of offshore races

Historique | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

Proto vs Série | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre
Next to the Vendée Globe, this is one of the most extraordinary races to me.
Not only because one of the participants in the series class, Bert Bossyns on the Nacira 6.50 NETWERK, is a highly valued member of the Yacht Club I preside (KLYC) .

For those who understand Dutch: Bert Bossyns | Sailing Across - Bert Bossyns.

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The Wauquiez Centurion 57 looked very nice.

By the way, here is a link to a new Hunter_

Hunter 37 ? All New ? Designed for You « Legend Yacht Sales

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Can't await to see a price suggestion for the attidude ocean 35. I am not looking for a swimming suite so a true alternative to the Pogo 10.50 would be interesting...
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Can't await to see a price suggestion for the attidude ocean 35. I am not looking for a swimming suite so a true alternative to the Pogo 10.50 would be interesting...
They have a price in the site or I saw it somewhere, if I can remember right it was something like 225 000 euros with tax, probably for a boat with the advertised interior but without options. If you are interested ask them and also more details and share the information. There is something I don't like: For a boat with this price tag (about 25 000 euros over a Salona 38) it should be expected a lead keel...well no, it is an iron one.

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