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The RCD (Recreational craft directive) had some alterations.

Minor ones I would say. Most of them regards engine and pollution (that you can find here: REPORT on the proposal for a directive of the European Parliament and of the Council on recreational craft and personal watercraft - A7-0213/2012

But some interesting ones regarding definitions and these modifications show good sense. They are important because they are pointed to provide to the general public information about each type of boat that comes from its certification class. I and many always thought that the typification of each class was misleading. Now the classes are the same but the definitions are more clear and appropriate.

A - Ocean class was: Designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 m and above but excluding abnormal conditions, and vessels largely self-sufficient.

Now it is: A class- A recreational craft given design category A is considered to be designed for winds that may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 m and above but excluding abnormal conditions such as storm, violent storm, hurricane, tornado and extreme sea conditions or rogue waves.

B – Offshore class was: Designed for offshore voyages where conditions up to, and including, wind force 8 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 4 m may be experienced.

Now it is : B class -A recreational craft given design category B is considered to be designed for wind force up to, and including, 8 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 4 m.

C – Inshore Class was: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m may be experienced.

Now it is: C class - A watercraft given design category C is considered to be designed for a wind force up to, and including, 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m

D - Sheltered waters class was: Designed for voyages on sheltered coastal waters, small bays, small lakes, rivers and canals when conditions up to, and including, wind force 4 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 0,3 m may be experienced, with occasional waves of 0,5 m maximum height, for example from passing vessels.

Now it is D class: A watercraft given design category D is considered to be designed for a wind force up to, and including, 4 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 0,3 m with occasional waves of 0,5 m maximum height.

REPORT on the proposal for a directive of the European Parliament and of the Council on recreational craft and personal watercraft - A7-0213/2012
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Paulo:
Three posts up you posted some photos of a very nice interior. These are photos and not renderings. What boat is that? Is that the Comet? It looks very nicely done to me.
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Paulo:
Three posts up you posted some photos of a very nice interior. These are photos and not renderings. What boat is that? Is that the Comet? It looks very nicely done to me.
Yes, it is the Comet 31s. One of the Comet characteristics is that they have good quality interiors for a performance boat.

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That is a superb looking boat, inside and out. That is my kind of boat.
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That is a superb looking boat, inside and out. That is my kind of boat.
Fat ass and all. Who would imagine. But you are right, the transom is pulled back but the beam is not that big, for instance the Oceanis 34 that is only 20cms bigger has almost more 20cm of beam.

I suspect that you, like me, have many types of boats that you would call "my type of boat"

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Antartic sailing and a boat for doing it.

A steel one and an old design but obviously capable of doing it safely even if it seems to me that the skipper has too much work on that wheel. It is also a center-boarder and that makes sense to me.

Even if an old design this one was designed expressly for bad weather: It is not very nice, in and outbut then it would be difficult or impossible to make a really beautiful boat with a great interior for sailing in bad weather.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

paulo,

For me how I sail, I would go with the comet. BUT, if I have to include SWMBO! then the 349 would probably win out. I feel in a generally speaking manner, the 349 will have a few more bells and whistles about it vs the C31. The C31 will be the better overall performance boat. The 349 meets the needs of the SHE's that want to be spoiled inside. Unfortunately, it appears that the rig was left a big smallish to really do what that hull could probably do performance wise.

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Comet 31 / Sun Odyssey 349

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For me how I sail, I would go with the comet. BUT, if I have to include SWMBO! then the 349 would probably win out. I feel in a generally speaking manner, the 349 will have a few more bells and whistles about it vs the C31. The C31 will be the better overall performance boat. The 349 meets the needs of the SHE's that want to be spoiled inside. Unfortunately, it appears that the rig was left a big smallish to really do what that hull could probably do performance wise.

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No doubt Marty. If we love that to the women (the ones that are not sailors) they would always chose a main market cruiser over a performance cruiser: They have generally more interior space and have a bit better cruising accommodations and the 349 even managed to have a micro wave on that small boat. Of course wives have normally a lot of influence in what regards choosing a sailboat and I had a lot of work teaching mine about other aspects of sailboats than interior accommodations.

She knows more than most and that is a good thing because she, as most, wives has the power of veto over any sailboat I choose.

The deal is this: I chose the type of sailboat (performance boat of course) and between those she can say the ones she would not want and the ones that she considers having enough cruising amenities (an she is quite good judging that). It is more than fair since we live on the sailboat 3 or 4 months on a year.

For instance she vetoed the Pogo...but she likes the boat excepting the interior and says, well, this one with a nice interior

If she would chose one without my interference I believe she would be undecided between a RM 1260 and a Southerly 42 RST. Not bad choices I would say. Maybe when I am older

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European boat of the year 2014

The chief testers of the main European magazines are already testing the nominated sailboats for the contest. These are the guys and the lady. They seem sailors to me



They are testing about 20 sailboats, most of them beauties and they are paid for that. That's the kind of job I would not mind to have

The testing had been done in Southampton (England) and Porto Venere, Italy.

They had similar conditions on both locations including strong winds (gusting 40k) to the point that the smaller boats with electric engines had to be towed out of the port.

Certainly we will have great videos out of those tests.

These are some of the tested sailboats while being tested:















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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I am a little bit confused: Usually the boats nomineed are new ones but the Malango 888 - inspite beeing a fantastic boat - isn't that new...
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