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Re: Ratings and boat speeds

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OK, Paulo, then how would you comment the results of Luffe 37 in the Fyncup results of 2013?

Sailwave results for Palby Fyn Cup 2013 at 31 maj - 2 juni - 2013 2013

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Rumen I want to repost what I have already posted regarding you and the boat you have choose taking the occasion to congratulate you again for the choice of a very beautiful and well made classic boat:

" If (Rumen) had choose that boat after sailing that boat 37.09 and the 3.6 for sure that for him the 37.09 is the boat he wants regarding how the boat sails, feels, looks and the type of interior."

I like a lot of boats, also classic ones and I don't defend a single choice for any sailor, quite the opposite.

We are only talking about boat speed and performance in what regards the Luffe 37 and other 37/38 ft cruisers and it is regarding that I say that The Luffe 37 is not a fast boat if compared with a 37/38 performance cruiser. He was one of the fastest when it was designed but that was more than 30 years ago.

Regarding the results of that race the good classification of the Luffe 37 on compensated means only that it was very well sailed, very close to its rating but that is only in compensated time. For evaluate the real boat sailing performance (and not the performance of the crew) you have to look at the real time, the time the boat had actually took to reach the finish line:

Regarding that the Luffe 37 took 29 hours and 1min.

A XP 38 took 20h 043m a less well sailed and smaller XP33 took 28h 32m. There were several 33/34 performance cruisers that had made about the same time of that Luffe 37 even if none of them was so well sailed (close to the rating) as that Luffe 37.

There was more three Luffe 37 on that race not as well sailed. One made 30h 53m and the other 30h 56m, other 41h 24m.

That does not mean that I do consider modern Luffe slow boats, quite the contrary. On that race the Luffe 45, a recent design, made a fantastic race with 22h 8m, way faster than the two fastest XP44, faster than a Farr 40 and a Ker 11.3 (and the Ker won the race on compensated) only beaten in what regards to performance cruisers by a Swann 45 ( only by 3 min) and by a bigger XP50.

The Luffe showed one more time why they call them X killer

http://www.bs-sejlerskolen.dk/fyncup...resultater.htm

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Racing: Coastal Classic 2013

The NZ classic, not so spectacular as last year but certainly a great race.

The first boat to arrive was Australia, that ex-ORMA that had beaten recently the record time between Sydney and Auckland.

Some images but the best are from the teaser with last year's race images





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Re: Dufour 410 GL

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Another great Felci design. I find this boat even more well design than the big ones. it is easy to make a very nice looking 50ft bur not so easy to make the same with a 41ft specially if the boat has a good standing height and a great cruising interior:













I guess that I can save on words, this boat test (English) says a lot about the boat. I would say this one would be on my very short list if I wanted to buy a new mass market 40/41 cruiser. Well I would have preferred a performance cruiser but the interior would not be as big or good in what regards cruising and the performances of the 410 even if not comparable to a true performance cruiser are not that far, specially in what regards cruising. A great and beautiful boat, not to mention the incredibly good wine storage







Some more tests in French and Dutch:






A 360º look at the interior:

http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/fileB...dufour410_.swf
I agree, the pictures show a high quality interior. We stepped aboard the 410 in Annapolis, and were quite disappointed. The interior quality we saw, was quite possibly the worst of the production boats. Ventilation was minimal with one hatch in the saloon. Not at all what I have seen in the past by Dufour.
A lot of nice features, and obviously a nice sailing boat, but the interior quality eliminated the boat from our wishlist.
We got on a Vision 42 afterwards, and noticed better interior quality.
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I agree, the pictures show a high quality interior. We stepped aboard the 410 in Annapolis, and were quite disappointed. The interior quality we saw, was quite possibly the worst of the production boats. Ventilation was minimal with one hatch in the saloon. Not at all what I have seen in the past by Dufour.
A lot of nice features, and obviously a nice sailing boat, but the interior quality eliminated the boat from our wishlist.
We got on a Vision 42 afterwards, and noticed better interior quality.
It is possible. That's stupid but some boats are finished in a hurry to be ready for a boat show...and they show it. I have seen that with Salonas, Elans and other boats. Possibly the case. I agree the the Vision series have a good quality interior. As you say that kind of bad finish is not typical from Dufour that is slightly more expensive than other family production boats and the quality is at least similar if not superior.

Even so it seems that regarding the boat you have seen on the boat show your opinion is not shared by all:

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Went both thursday and friday.
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My favorite of the production boats was the Dufour 41. Well built and great layout with ONE head. I thinks it's a waste to have two heads on a 40 foot boat. Especially for a couple. It had great storage above and below. Good rigging, solid. No wood in deck. ..
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Xp 38

A nice new video with this fast performance cruiser...and a great older one:



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XP-38: Schnörkellos schnell segeln - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin
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Halberg Rassy MKIII

The boat is being presented on the Hamburg boat show and it has a relativelly old hull...so why is it interesting?

very few modern boats come to a 3 version using of the same hull so something has to be very right about this boat that makes it a favorite for many.

This has something to do with it:



Yes that is pretty amazing on a 43 sailboat and the boat does not look that bad or that heavy:







and in fact it is not heavy for this type of boat. For instance, it is lighter than that 40ft Bob Perry sailboat that I posted recently and it has a bigger sail area so it is not slow, I would say a good sailing boat for a family cruiser. All this put together more the 4.5T of ballast make this a very good offshore boat.

Some would even love the skeg on the rudder that has already disappeared on more recent models.

A Germán Frers design that time proved to be a great one.

http://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts...ats/43-mk-iii/
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I like the nav station in the same corridor of the owners suite.

My question is how is about the kitchen? Is it suitable and safe in bad weather? HR has on other models, that the kitchen is placed, along that corridor, wich in my opinion seams smarter for those conditions . What is your opinion?
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I like the nav station in the same corridor of the owners suite.

My question is how is about the kitchen? Is it suitable and safe in bad weather? HR has on other models, that the kitchen is placed, along that corridor, wich in my opinion seams smarter for those conditions . What is your opinion?
Yes I agree with you. having a bench on a corridor provides always support when the boat is heeled on the wrong position but HR uses not them at least now and on the smaller yachts. On the bigger ones (over 55ft) it is even better than that because it is a narrow space with 2 benches on on each side.

The ones that use that kind of galley in smaller boats is Najad and their 411 has one of the best interiors on a 41ft, in what regards saloon space, Galley space and functionality. Have a look:

Najad 410 virtual tour



The HR 43 MkIII uses a different galley but also a good one even at sea:



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Racing: Transat Jacques Fabre

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Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 - 20ème anniversaire by TransatJacquesVabre

"A double handed race combines the skills of both sailors to ensure the boats are pushed closer to 100% of their potential. Of course there is double the manpower for manoeuvres, two brains are better than one when it comes to developing strategy and there is always someone on standby. Two handed also means that everything is shared, the moments of doubt and the pleasure, the hard times and the good times. And it is usually a subtle formula which is the winning one, combining intense sailing performance with the ability to get on well living together in difficult, stressful conditions in a small space."

44 teams racing. It does not seem much but they are all sailing in top racing boats and are the best short crew/solo sailors around...they are almost all there.

"The race starts on Sunday November 3rd under Le Havre’s famous cliffs of Saint Adresse when all the classes race a coastal course to Etretat. From there the course which is set takes them direct non stop to Brazil. The Monohulls, that is 26 Class 40’s and 10 IMOCA’s, programme in their course direct for the finish line, whilst the six Multi50’s and three MOD70’s return temporarily to the Basin Paul Vatine to await their starts on November 5th and 8th respectively for the same 5,400 miles course...

Among the most successful skippers to take on this edition is is Jean -Pierre Dick who has won the IMOCA monohull division a remarkable three times, in 2003-2005 and 2011. He pairs up with the equally redoubtable Roland Jourdain who has won twice, in 1995 and 2001, but this time they will race a multihull, the MOD70 Virbac-Paprec 70.

But the entire field is richly laden with talent, including Vendée Globe winners François Gabart ,Michel Desjoyeaux and Vincent Riou as well as top contenders like Jean Le Cam, Bernard Stamm, Jérémie Beyou , Marc Guillemot, Bertrand de Broc, Arnaud Boissiere, Tanguy de Lamotte , Louis Burton, Alexandro di Benedetto , as well as four veterans of the Volvo Ocean Race, Sidney Gavignet , Damian Foxall , Sébastien Josse and Charles Caudrelier all racing in the MOD70. There are multihull specialists such Yves Le Blévec in the Multi 50 with Kito de Pavant, Erwan Le Roux racing with the winner of the Solitaire du Figaro Yann Elies, Loïc Fequet, Gilles Lamiré or Lalou Roucayrol ...

Class40 is the biggest and most international, with top French names like Halvard Mabire, Bruno Jourdren, Damien Seguin , Yannick Bestaven , Jean -Christophe Caso , Sébastien Rogues racing with or against sailors from Spain (Alex Pella), Germany (Jörg Riechers), Austria (Petter Christof), Great
Britain (Brian Thompson , Sam Goodchild , Hannah Jenner , Miranda Merron ... ), Italy and Belgium....."


Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 : Le Havre - Itajai | Novembre 2013 | Take to the seas and act for the planet

It seems very interesting to me

The boats are already there and they look great:


Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 - Le Havre accueille... by TransatJacquesVabre
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