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what boat is in The Hunters movie?
I don't know of what you are talking about. Please tell about what post are you referring. Or are you really talking about a movie?

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IMOCA-doldrums-lottery: MACIF was overtaken by PRB by 16nm and is only 2nm ahead of MAÎTRE COQ. Even between PRB and CHEMINNEES POUJOLAT as the 5th there are just 33nm... Awesome!

Looking at the weather forecast the routing of MACIF seems to be a catastrophy: They chose an easterly route and for the next 24h the more westerly you go the more wind you'll have. Stamm might be the biggest winner...
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Lots of racing going on this week all over the globe. Here at Puerto Calero on Lanzarote we have the RC 44 world championships this coming week. Teams have been working around the clock to prep their boats. Nice looking boats especially under sail on a beam reach. I don't know a thing about them any one know much about them.

Working hard on getting boat ready for crossing in early December, first though a 6 day coming up to the Verdes.

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Working hard on getting boat ready for crossing in early December, first though a 6 day coming up to the Verdes.

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Hi Steve, welcome back.

You mean Cabo Verde for sure. Verdes means in Portuguese "greens".


Don't be a stranger and please give us an update on the performance of your Boreal 44. Your case is very interesting and your opinions too not only because you are an experienced sailor but also because your previous boat was a full keel boat (mason 44) by many considerate a great passagemaker. It would be difficult to find two more different sailboats even if the Boreal is also considered by many as a great passagemaker.

Your opinions and comparisons regarding the two boats in what regards sea motion, living comfort, speed on different points of sail, storage and general aptitude as a voyage boat will be very interesting and will interest us all.



Please when you have enough information give yourself the trouble of making a good post about it. We would all be grateful.

For the ones that don't know Steve is the proud owner of a Boreal 44, a French aluminium light centerboarder. He went to France to follow the final stages of building and pick the boat. He is now returning to the States.

Some of the more interesting information on this thread come from Eric and Anders that now own modern light performance cruisers and have owned previously several more traditional cruisers. Please join that restricted great group of contributors of this thread.

We also want photos of you and your boat. If you don't know how to post good quality photos photos email them to me and I will post them.

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Lots of racing going on this week all over the globe. Here at Puerto Calero on Lanzarote we have the RC 44 world championships this coming week. Teams have been working around the clock to prep their boats. Nice looking boats especially under sail on a beam reach. I don't know a thing about them any one know much about them.
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We have already talked here about the Rc44 series. They are a top professional series, a worldwide one and the concept and boat was developed by Russell Countts. The boats are in fact almost perfect 1/2 re-scaled America's cup last monohulls, all carbon boats.

Here you have great footage of the last round in Cascais (one month ago) that as usual offered great racing conditions:



Here you have a movie about the boat design:



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We have already talked here about the Rc44 series. They are a top professional series, a worldwide one and the concept and boat was developed by Russel Counts. The boats are in fact almost perfect 1/2 re-scaled America's cup last monohulls, all carbon boats.
Developed by New Zealand sailing legend Russell Coutts. Rceently as head of Team Oracle he was voted the most hated man in New Zealand
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IMOCA-doldrums-lottery: MACIF was overtaken by PRB by 16nm and is only 2nm ahead of MAÎTRE COQ. Even between PRB and CHEMINNEES POUJOLAT as the 5th there are just 33nm... Awesome!

Looking at the weather forecast the routing of MACIF seems to be a catastrophy: They chose an easterly route and for the next 24h the more westerly you go the more wind you'll have. Stamm might be the biggest winner...
Yes, absolutely phenomenal racing and one of the best Jaques Vabre editions ever.

They are still on the "Pot au noir" (black cauldron) and the positions are now different: Gabart 1st, Riou 2nd, Beyou 3th, Marc 4th, Stamm 5th. stamm is only at 26nm and Riou at 5nm. Truly amazing after all this time of racing and it shows how those guys are all incredible sailors.

Transat Jacques Vabre 2013

On the Mini Transat things go a little slower but not less interesting with Delesne (2nd) managing to diminish is distance over Pedote (1st). He is now at 37.4Nm, have recovered on the last days about 25nm.

On the series boats continue a fantastic battle between Aymeric, Kostner and surprisingly (or maybe not) a girl, Justine. The two first are almost side by side while Justine is only 22Nm back. They are all ahead of most protos and that is a hell of a performance.

Cartographie | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

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Hi Paulo and crew,

Sorry about the Verde and Verdes thing By the way we are stocked up with good Verdes wine.

It is still too early to give you a detailed report on our new Boreal. We hope it is the down wind and broad reach boat we have seen so far in the 2000 miles we have put on her. She is really fun sailing in 15 to 35 knots but let us make a crossing or two before I give a detailed report. You mentioned going back to the states and that we will not be doing with this boat I hope. Our goal from the day we order the Boreal was getting back to the S. Pacific and visit old friends and explore a few more places where we could not go with the Mason 44.

I will say this about Boreal, we complained to them that we had some corners in the heads where the locker doors touch the locker inner frames that were turning black in small areas. Not long after the company and the company that builds the interior. Sorry I forget the companies name but they build just about every French made boats interiors. Anyway the head of that company and the head of Boreal flew down to Lisbon and spent two days going over the interior of our boat. They said that they found a problem with these little plastic tabs they put in the door frames, we were the first boat to have them. Those tabs were too tight and when the locker doors shut the Varnish cracked and allowed water in. Boreal had their top interior guy fly into the canaries to replace the doors and redoing the Varnish work. What a sight to see this guy driving up in a taxi to the marina with all this wood work sticking out the back of the trunk. We never demanded or even asked for the replacement But both companies insisted it be redone. Thank you Boreal for your caring of your customers.

We are working 6 hours or more a day getting ready for the crossing, going over rigging, making better chafe guards for the spreaders. Lots of splicing of lines, de pickeling the water maker and on and on, hard work but a lot of fun. And don't forget the buying of food and figuring out where and how to store it. The Boreal has far more storage space than the Mason had and that boat had a lot.

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How does the bathtub type do in light and moderate air. I see a hull with a lot of wetted surface? I don't know who is sailing what. I need some coaching on this.
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How does the bathtub type do in light and moderate air. I see a hull with a lot of wetted surface? I don't know who is sailing what. I need some coaching on this.
Bob,

First let me tell you about David Raison, an extraordinaire character, a NA and a mini racer that believed so much in this project (that for most was a joke) that he sold is house to build the boat.

Let me tell you also that this is not the kind of guy that has an idea, went for it and got lucky. This is the kind of guy that made exhaustive studies with CFD before building the boat. He says that the hull worked exactly as it has supposed to work...he said also that when he took the boat out of the mold and had a good look at it he was apprehensive and thought to himself "I hope those studies prove right"

Curiously he says that the idea come from the Optimists and also from Caravels. In fact I had read in transcriptions of old naval documents (XV/XVI centuries) that they believed that a ship should have a well rounded bow.

Regarding performance nothing better to hear what he says about the boat:

He says that the boat works very well in almost all conditions and says also that there is a price for that: less comfort (sea motion) and structural difficulties.

In fact he took several years to manage to sort out those structure problems due to the increased sail power and probably also due to the increased pounding the boat takes in heavy seas. When he arrived on the last transat (that he won) he said in an interview that in some conditions he had a lot of trouble to preserve the boat in heavy seas and that had been afraid in some occasions.

He says that the conditions were the boat has a bigger advantage is reaching were the increase in speed can be over 15%. On the other sailing positions the gains are not as big and on light winds, specially with choppy conditions the boat is less performat than traditional ones.

I thought that with waves upwind the boat would be slower but it seems that not with all types of waves, as we could saw on this race.

I thought also that the boat would point less well than the other minis and that is not simply true at least with flat water.

They have made also testing in several occasions with other top minis and the results were clear, even in what regards to go faster upwind close to the wind in flat water and medium winds.

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David Raison, Magnum : l'arme absolue por voilesetvoiliers





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