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When I last visited the Structures yard last winter I was suprised to see they were working on a successor for their Pogo 40 S2 class 40. But Christian Bouroullec was convinced this 2010 design was already becoming outdated so they asked Pascal Conq (Finot-Conq) to design the S3.
The Transat Jacques Fabre seems to confirm his feeling: the first Pogo S2 Groupe Picoty will only be able to battle for the 4th place if nothing bad happens to the leading trio.
And although the Pogo S2 Campagne de France is now 2nd in the Class 40 ranking, this will probably change when the results of this Transat are taken into account.

So things are moving fast in the Class 40 scene, as does the brand new Pogo 40 S3:

Pogo 40S3-go to Lorient on Vimeo

I don’t think they will be making a cruising version of that one .

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Yes Eric, that is how fast things go when racing is made at top level with racers and designers working hard to improve performance. We didn't yet come as far as in top car racing where on the top category (F1) the last year's car is an old car and without any chances to win but things come in that direction and this is good because it only means that advancements in design are coming faster.

Of course I am not talking about amateur or semi-amateur sail racing but about top professional racing.

Even so at the point we are, 3 years is already a considerable period of time in what regards hull development at the present state of the art and the same happens with the IMOCA boats (Open 60) where 2007 boats are considered old boats. From the four that were disputing the leadership of this year Transat all where 2010/2011 boats with exception of Marc's boat that sails one from 2007 that is still competitive, but not as much as the top ones. Maybe its titanium keel helps to make that difference smaller helped by Marc's talent. Anyway on the next vendee all these would be "old boats" without any chance of winning against the future new boats that will be built soon.

Regarding the Pogo S2 you are right, the boat is not competitive at top level anymore and it is not by the best place to be 4th on this transat but from the distance the 4th is from the first: more than 280nm is a huge difference.

It is a pity they had not the boat ready and tested for this transat but certainly we will have several on the Route du Rhum that is even a bigger classic than this one.

We have talked already about the Pogo s3 that is a very beautiful boat and that I bet it will be faster than the S2. Pogo needed it to be at the head of the transats again.





Pogo 40S3-go to Lorient from Pogostructures on Vimeo.



For the cruising Pogo, your boat, the 12.50, I don't think the difference in performance between the two hulls would be meaningful. I guess that from now on the cruising version will be built on the older version of the racing boat hull but, who knows, the owner of Pogo shipyards is a perfectionists and may decide that fast cruisers deserve the same kind of development racers want in their boats in what regards performance

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Funny ways of sailing

On a boat show I saw this baby and for some time I thought of having it as a dingy. Of course it is impracticable at least for me. If you saw how my dingy goes loaded when I go to the supermarket for provisions you would understand why but even so.... it is just such a cute little boat and very well made too: inflatable but incredibly rigid...expensive too.

Well, maybe for someone that doesn't go to the supermarket with a dinghy





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It's hard to believe they left with a cut off low just to the NW with winds 25 to 39 on the nose by Tuesday then the trades go way from 22N to 10N all most all the way across the Atlantic till next week, no wind at all.
We are staying in the Canaries till we can enjoy the sail. Did you notice that 3 of the boats broke away going NW. I guess they will be heading over the top of the low and down the backside into the Carib. We have met a lot of the ARC folks and many of them are not prepared for the crossing, I must say we worry about them. I guess when the sponsors have all those party room rentals and caterers awaiting in the Carib they just send them anyway.

Today we sailed from Marina Rubicon to Marina Calero about 20 miles. It was our first real sail to weather in about 30 knots out of the NE and 1 to 2 meter seas. The new boat sailed really well as we stayed totally dry and the Boreal charged thru the seas just wonderfully at 8 knots with 2 reefs in the main and after awhile one reef in the genoa. Later in the day we did our first heave to to see if she could. Seems like she does just fine but I think she may do even better with the main down. Will give it a try soon, down below very quiet and peaceful better than our old Mason 44 was I think.

Paulo, I think she is a dry boat going to weather. For now until the weather is right and we cross we will continue to work on the boat and drink good white Canary wine.
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It's hard to believe they left with a cut off low just to the NW with winds 25 to 39 on the nose by Tuesday then the trades go way from 22N to 10N all most all the way across the Atlantic till next week, no wind at all.
We are staying in the Canaries till we can enjoy the sail. Did you notice that 3 of the boats broke away going NW. I guess they will be heading over the top of the low and down the backside into the Carib. ...
I had a look at the weather and it seems to me that those that went North will have wind all the way but they have to go almost to the latitude of Madeira to get wind on the right direction.

It seems to me that you should have leaved from Porto santo instead of the Canarias.

I had a look and it seems to me that most that are going North are not going North enough (or fast enough) and will get 25k of wind on the nose or no wind at all, at least for 36 hours.

Most of the boats are going on the "normal" shorter route....and in 24 hours will stay without any wind. I really don't understand what they are doing and why so much have chosen that option instead of the less direct route by the North, but one with constant wind.

So help me on this: I am seeing it wrong? You have a lot more experience and know a lot more about this. Give me your opinion.

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Help me out. Is it a requirement of the ARC to leave Gran Canaria to starboad? When we did the crossing (after the ARC) in 2011, we passed between Gran Canaria and Tenerife. We too, had a low pass in front, then to the north of us. The weather router in Las Palmas was telling everybody to go south to the Cape Verdis to avoid the weather. We stayed our course as it didn't seem to be any worse than what we get in the northern Pacific. We started out beating then a beam reach which was a little uncomfortable in a 47' Leopard. Nearing the Carib, we caught another low which really "killed" the trades and wound up motoring a day or two in order to maintain our schedule (I promised MrsB and the family that I'd be home for Christmas).
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Help me out. Is it a requirement of the ARC to leave Gran Canaria to starboad? When we did the crossing (after the ARC) in 2011, we passed between Gran Canaria and Tenerife. We too, had a low pass in front, then to the north of us. The weather router in Las Palmas was telling everybody to go south to the Cape Verdis to avoid the weather. We stayed our course as it didn't seem to be any worse than what we get in the northern Pacific. We started out beating then a beam reach which was a little uncomfortable in a 47' Leopard. Nearing the Carib, we caught another low which really "killed" the trades and wound up motoring a day or two in order to maintain our schedule (I promised MrsB and the family that I'd be home for Christmas).
I don't know. Remember that there is a big racing class division and maybe that is one of the rules. If that was not mandatory it does not make any sense, for the ones heading North, to have circled the island.

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The Rally will start from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria on Sunday 25 November 2012 at 1300, to the south of the entrance to Las Palmas harbour. Detailed starting instructions will be given at the skippers’ briefing on the day before the start. From the start, the course leaves Gran Canaria to starboard and Saint Lucia to port, to the finish in Rodney Bay, Saint Lucia.
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Transat Jaques Vabre - Mini Transat

And yes!!!!....Pella (2th in 40class) is coming over Rogues, the leader. in about 300nm recovered 20nm. Rogues is at 920nm from the finish and Pella is at 86nm so at this rhythm Pella is not going to make it (he will be at about 30nm on the finish) and that is just a shame taking into consideration the 190nm that he have lost when he had to stop in Spain.

Cartographie Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 | Suivez la course en direct !

This has been a very unusual transat and it seems the trade winds are not what they used to be. The wind is far more North than what is usual and the leaders are again sailing in light wind. On this conditions Pedote (2nd) is not able to close on Benoit Marie (1st) that maintains a lead of about 14nm.

Deslene, long time 2th chasing Pedote, that lost almost 200nm with that forced pit stop in Canarias is recovering and is at 117nm from the leader. Great race

Cartographie | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-ŕ-Pitre
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and completely out of topic and just because it is a nice movie: Nazaré, 20Nm North of my home and the marina where where I used to have the boat turned into the Mecca of the extreme surfers that go there in search of 100ft waves. Nice town too.

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Winds here in Canaries have gone ESE at 25 kts over the last few hours so things are changing. Those boats headed NW are the big guys with full racing crew and can handle going NW up to 34 N to get above low. But the rest are going to have 3 days of wind on the nose, most of it seems to be around 20Kts but there are areas a couple of days out where it will go higher. Even here they said 15 out of SW but it is much stronger for now. Like Paulo says, once the majority of boats(the cruisers) get down to 24N they run out of wind. Only passage weather shows 5 to ten Kts at 20N and below. The FNMOC(US Navy weather gribs show nothing. We have good luck with their extended forecasts about 75% right from 5 days out, much better for 96 out and shorter.

I do not like the idea of the ARC because it often gives inexperienced sailors a feeling of security, Those who have not learned how to read a 500 millibar map or even a surface map and just depend on gribs always listen to these guys that run the ARC and become dependent on what they are told. But the ARC owners have a schedule not the same as good experienced sailors have. We sit here with many who have crossed many oceans and we all shake our heads. We sail to enjoy the passage knowing we can run into bad weather but never leaving port into bad weather. All of us don't like to talk much about the ARC and the problems that all of these group sailing for money can run into. I wish there was a way to let those who are wanting their great adventure to come true that going in large groups like the ARC can have serious problems. I wish them the best and that all those sailors and their family's be safe. But here we have French, English, Americans and others heading to many destinations. Some to the S. Pacific for the 2nd and 3rd time and other doing the Atlantic circle for the 4th time, all of us waiting, still working on the boats even though they are ready. Cruisers all need to know that sooner or later you have to go but picking the best time and not on a schedule is the right thing to do. How many times do we hear about boats on a tight schedule to meet up with relatives or friends being lost at sea because they left at the wrong weather window just to make others happy.

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