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Re: Transat Jaques Vabre - Mini Transat

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I don't know if there's enough runway left but Delesne is only 49nm from a possible podium finish, if he can catch Fermin and Garcia. Garcia is truly sailing well, in a boat that is quite old - 1999 Lombard design - compared to his competition. Of course, he's an experienced racer, having sailed with Jean le Cam in the Barcelona World Race, until they were dismasted. Should he make it on the podium he can be very proud.

No way anyone will catch Pedote and Marie, at this point. Only question will be whether Pedote can hold or extend his slender lead. As much as some of us have raved about the scow and its advantages, Marie is showing that there is plenty of life in the more conventional designs. This one is going down to the wire, I predict. Definitely a Transat for the ages.
Yes I agree, the race will be decided between Pedote and Benoit Marie. For being fast is not enough to have the faster boat and be a great sailor it is also needed to have sails in good condition. That can also decide the race between those two.

I agree also that Garcia is making an incredible race. He is older and is a cardiologist, not a professional sailor. Made this transat 10 years ago and has been racing a lot less than the others, kind of occasionally, since some of them are professionals. His race in a 14 year's old boat is absolutely sensational and the fact that a 14 year old boat can still be competitive says a lot about his NA, Marc Lombard.
He is 4th and he is closing on the 3th, Remi Fermin that races in a 2009 design, built and designed by him. Deslene, that is racing in a 2009 Sam Manuard design, is not closing on Garcia but maintains the distance and that means he is also closing on Fermin.

Cartographie | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

Benoit Marie is racing also on an older design, a 2007 Finot while Pedote races in the newer boat, a 2010 David Raison design.

Regarding the Class40 on the Jaques Vabre Transat it seems I was right: The Spanish team is already ahead of the Franco-German team and Pella is closing fast on the leader. The difference of speed to the leader in the last 2 hours is 2k superior and that value is going to increase. It seems that it is their time to be lucky with the weather, at least if what the weather prevision show is true. I don't believe they can win but they are going to recover many miles.

Cartographie Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 | Suivez la course en direct !

and finally we have images of Tanguy and Alessandro arriving separated by 9 seconds:


Jour 22 - Arrivée Initiatives Coeur (IMOCA... por TransatJacquesVabre


Jour 22 - arrivée de TEAM PLASTIQUE (IMOCA... por TransatJacquesVabre

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RC44 on the Canary Islands

This is the race that Steve (hannah2) was talking about. He saw the boats on the Canary islands. Some great images of the races:



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This beauty was presented not long ago on a boat show. It is a boat that will please the more conservative: Relatively narrow, with a proper fin, not one of those skinny keels with a torpedo and a kind of classic beauty. In a word, not the typical modern boat.

Let's see if any of you can find out what boat is this one
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This beauty was presented not long ago on a boat show. It is a boat that will please the more conservative: Relatively narrow, with a proper fin, not one of those skinny keels with a torpedo and a kind of classic beauty. In a word, not the typical modern boat.

Let's see if any of you can find out what boat is this one
That's a nice one, Paulo!
It's Pen Duick II, the very first purpose built racing yacht for the English Transat in 1964, that made the late Éric Tabarly a living legend.

By the way, he won this solo race once again in 1976, this time not in a purpose built yacht but with Pen Duick VI, designed to race fully crewed in the Withbread .

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That's a nice one, Paulo!
It's Pen Duick II, the very first purpose built racing yacht for the English Transat in 1964, that made the late Eric Tabarly a living legend.
A beautiful hull that was ahead of its time - yachts racing under the RORC and CCA rules didn't transition to separate keel & rudder until 1967 (IIRC)
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Pedote is not only 40nm ahead, he will also have the better conditions in the next hours presumably...
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A beautiful hull that was ahead of its time - yachts racing under the RORC and CCA rules didn't transition to separate keel & rudder until 1967 (IIRC)
Absolutely!

Tabarly was and probably still is one of the most innovative sailors in the history or racing.

Apart from its specific design for the 1964 OSTAR, Pen Duick II also introduced some new practical ideas, such as the gimbaled chart table (with a Harley Davidson saddle as a seat ) and the Plexiglas dome he “borrowed” from an aircraft (Tabarly was in fact a French Navy pilot).

Pen Duick III was the first racing yacht designed with the aid of model tank testing and won almost everything there was to win in the RORC races, including both the Fastnet and Sydney-Hobart in 1967.

Pen Duick IV was the first big, aluminium racing multihull. Although Tabarly himself abandoned in the 1968 OSTAR because of lack of preparation (may '68 almost completely paralysed France for months), Alain Colas won in 1972 (and sadly disappeared with the boat, re-baptized Manureva, during the first Route du Rhum in 1978).

Pen Duick V was especially designed for the first 1969 Transpac, a downwind race. It can be considered as the precursor of modern open designs such as the IMOCA’s: light, large beam aft, vertical transom, maximized waterline and water ballasted. Tabarly finished 11 days (!) before the second. In fact nobody expected such a fast crossing (no trackers then) so there was nobody in Tokyo to witness his finish .

Pen Duick VI was designed for the 1973-74 Whitbread RWR but abandoned the race after being dismasted twice. There was also a lot of fuzz about its depleted uranium keel, probably driven by jealous competitors not wanting Tabarly to win also this race.
His victory in the exceptionally stormy 1976 OSTAR on board this 22 meter and 32 ton ketch designed for a crew of 12, is still considered one of the most extraordinary in sailing history, beating his former soul mate Alain Colas and the 72 meter monster Club Méditerrannée.
Although nobody thought he could ever make it solo with Pen Duick VI, Tabarly made it clear from the start he wasn’t there as a figurant, by hoisting his huge spinnaker solo and thereby introducing the spinnaker sock.

Tabarly also firmly believed in the possibilities of flying multihulls on foils. The aluminium trimaran Paul Ricard was once again a precursor and although too heavy in comparison to its carbon and composite followers, it was the first to break the legendary transatlantic record of Charlie Barr and his 70 meter schooner Atlantic, already standing for 75 years (1905-1980).
Afterwards Tabarly also inspired and coached the Hydroptère concept, the first sailing vessel to break the 50 knots barrier.

The sloop Côte d’Or didn’t perform in the 1985-86 Whitbread, not only because of the somewhat selective penalties Tabarly was imposed for changing the keel. Although this was an all Belgian sponsorship, I must admit it is the only Tabarly-inspired design without any added value .

Apart from his numerous innovations, Tabarly was reputed for his extraordinary physical capacities and his shy modesty. He hated publicity and especially interviews, because he felt most questions posed by journalists were completely irrelevant .

What also should be remembered is the way he saved the 1898 William Fife III gaff cutter Pen Duick (the only one without a number), the Tabarly family yacht he recieved in an absolutely desperate condition from his father. Investing every single penny he could save for many years, he carefully and completely rebuilt this wonderful yacht himself. Thereby also pioneering in the use of GRP in the late fifties, a new technology in these days.

Also illustrating Tabarly’s special character: he fell in love with a “longère” (traditional, long and narrow farm house in Brittany) which he bought, dismantled and rebuilt stone by stone on the borders of the Odet river, next to the mooring of his beloved Pen Duick.

Sadly it’s on board of this very Pen Duick he lost his life in 1998, falling overboard during a reefing maneuver in the Irish Sea, on his way to Scotland for a Fife classic yachts regatta.

All existing Pen Duicks (the Original Fife Pen Duick, Pen Duick II, III, V and VI) are now fully operational again and visible at (if not sailing from) the Cité de la Voile Éric Tabarly in Lorient. A must when visiting Brittany, with also a very interesting permanent and temporary exhibitions.

And very well illustrating the legendary status Éric Tabarly acquired in France, and still has even 15 years after his tragical death.

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Eric
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That's a nice one, Paulo!
It's Pen Duick II, the very first purpose built racing yacht for the English Transat in 1964, that made the late Eric Tabarly a living legend.

By the way, he won this solo race once again in 1976, this time not in a purpose built yacht but with Pen Duick VI, designed to race fully crewed in the Withbread .

Best regards,

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Right on the spot But it is still an amazing hull considering that its a 50 year old design. Still beautiful after all those years.

Needless to say that the boat won that Transat and marked, in what regards yacht offshore designs, the beginning of the change of the center of major development and influence from England to France.

Yes, one of the greatest sailors of all time and a man whose search of speed and better boats greatly contributed for sailboat development. As you probably know he is one of the fathers of the Hydroptere concept and the boat was developed according his original ideas. Also one of the first to race Transats on a trimaran, the Pen Duick IV.

But returning to the Pen Duick II, a design from Gilles Costantini based on his Tarann series.

Never heard about him? Well that was a NA that was too advanced for his time regarding his own good. His designs seemed too revolutionary and sailors just kind of think that the boats were dangerous or will come apart. Just look at one of those tarann series, the Izella, built in 1963:



No way, that boat was a modern keel that was added much later!!! Yes I know that it is hard to believe but that is the original keel. Look at a 1963 photo when the boat was lunched:



By the way, that boat is still sailing and never lost the keel

If you want to know more about Gilles Costantini look here:

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Back to Eric Tabarly and his Pen Duick series, the first one was his father boat, the one where he learned to sail, a beautiful 1898 William Fife III design. He maintained always that boat, the original Pen Duick while he was changing and improving his racing boats, all named also Pen Duick.



The Pen Duick III, a development pf Pen Duick II made in aluminium was designed by him. The boat had practically won everything in 1967, from the Sydney Hobart to the Fastnet race.

The Pen Duick IV was a truly revolution, a 20.50m aluminium racing trimaran designed in 1967 by André Allègre and the fastest boat of its time. On the 1968 Transat Tabarlay collides with a ship and has to retire. The trimaran was bought by Alain Colas that won with it the 1972 Singlehanded Transatlantic Race.

The Penn Duick V was built for the 1969 transpacific race (S. Francisco Tokio) that Tabarly won. It was an incredibly innovative boat, a very small one, with only 10,67 and was designed by Bigoin and Duvergie. It was am aluminium boat and was the first boat designed along the lines that today dominate Open boats. The boat was very beamy, with a big transom and had water tanks.

The Pen Duick VI, a 22m sailboat was built in 1973 and designed by André Mauric. Tabarly won with it the 1976 Plymouth to Newport Singlehanded Transatlantic Race.

Curiously, Tabarly racing for many years on these fast and innovative designs, many times solo, found its dead sailing with friends on his old family boat, the original Pen Duick. The boat still belongs to the Tabarly family.

Regarding Tabarly influence on the design of its boats and even if only the Pend Duick III was entirely designed by him, I have no doubt that he was the responsible for the main concept of his boats and therefore had a considerable influence on modern boat design.

All Pen Duick boats, with the exception of the trimaran that was lost with Colas, still sail and participate in classic events.


The name of Tabarly still ranks high among today's sail racers. His nephew, Erwan Tabarly won the 2013 Transat Bretagne - Martinique in Figaro II.

Edit: I did not saw Erick's post on Tabarly, so there is some repetition.

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Pedote is not only 40nm ahead, he will also have the better conditions in the next hours presumably...
Yes it seems that Pedote is going to win this one easily. Very good downwind conditions for him till the end with strong winds.

It seems that the interest of the race is now on the battle for 3th ad 4th even if it seems to me that for third Remy as an advantage regarding wind direction for the last part of the race. It will be interesting to see if Garcia in his old boat can resist to the attack of Delesne that is now closer.

Cartographie | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

On the Jaques Vabre, on class40, Pella won over the night to the 1st (Rogues) but lost again when he too entered very weak winds.

Regarding this one I believe that the race is done and 1st will be Rogues, 2nd Pella and 3rd Riechers.

Cartographie Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 | Suivez la course en direct !

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But returning to the Pen Duick II, a design from Gilles Costantini based on his Tarann series.

Never heard about him? Well that was a NA that was too advanced for his time regarding his own good. His designs seemed too revolutionary and sailors just kind of think that the boats were dangerous or will come apart. Just look at one of those tarann series, the Izella, built in 1963:



No way, that boat was a modern keel that was added much later!!! Yes I know that it is hard to believe but that is the original keel. Look at a 1963 photo when the boat was lunched:



By the way, that boat is still sailing and never lost the keel

If you want to know more about Gilles Costantini look here:

Bateaux Costantini : Accueil

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The name of Tabarly still ranks high among today's sail racers. His nephew, Erwan Tabarly won the 2013 Transat Bretagne - Martinique in Figaro II.
Your'e very right to stress the importance of the Constantini family in Tabarly's career, Paulo.

Without their Pen Duick II design and Tabarly's OSTAR victory in 1964, his sailing career would certainly have been different.

And without their unconditional support ("no problem, you'll pay me whenever you can, Éric") the original Fife Pen Duick would also have been lost.

And now there's the nephew Erwan .

Best regards,

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