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Pen Duick V was especially designed for the first 1969 Transpac, a downwind race. It can be considered as the precursor of modern open designs such as the IMOCA’s: light, large beam aft, vertical transom, maximized waterline and water ballasted. Tabarly finished 11 days (!) before the second. In fact nobody expected such a fast crossing (no trackers then) so there was nobody in Tokyo to witness his finish .
By coincidence, my father was aboard our 30-footer in Aburatsubo Bay when Tabarly arrived unexpectedly in Japan aboard Pen Duick V, in 1969. He never tires of telling the story of rowing over to visit Tabarly and being surprised to find how much wine was aboard. Certainly it made a life-long impression on him.
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By coincidence, my father was aboard our 30-footer in Aburatsubo Bay when Tabarly arrived unexpectedly in Japan aboard Pen Duick V, in 1969. He never tires of telling the story of rowing over to visit Tabarly and being surprised to find how much wine was aboard. Certainly it made a life-long impression on him.
Of course, sailing without wine is boring

You know, on the XVI century Portuguese discovered not water ballast but wine ballast I am kidding but that is absolutely true. Ships that went for India carried Porto and Madeira wine as ballast all the way to India and back to Portugal (well, when they did not drink it on the way). They found out that the wine that returned was much better. It was called wine of the "torna", meaning the one that comes back.

Infovini | Your portal to Portuguese wine | History

One Portuguese wine company as returned to the tradition and send some of his wines (Moscatel) around the world on the Portuguese Navy school sail ship Sagres. They have tested the wine (they had keep identical wine) and they could saw that it was not a legend but a very verifiable difference: Much more complexity more harmony, more evolution...and a price that goes with all that

Moscatel de Setúbal Torna Viagem - Moscatel

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The red boat looks a bit like a Van de Stadt BLACK SOO. Very similar. Very fast.
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The red boat looks a bit like a Van de Stadt BLACK SOO. Very similar. Very fast.
Yes, when Vand de Stadt was designing his own boats and was one of the most innovative NA around. There should be a law against using the name of a deceased NA while designing boats that have nothing to do with his original talent and inovation

The Black Soo is from 1957 and the Tarann from 1961 and both used what could be a modern ballasted keel. The Tarann was a more beamier boat however, even if the Tarann was not a beamy boat. Both had the same type of chined hull. Rge cabin of the Van De Stadt was better designed, at least aesthetically speaking since the Tarann offered more interior space.

The Tarann LWL was 8.10m nad the beam 2.66m. The Black Soo had a LWL of 7.90m and a beam of 2.13m. Both had about the same draft (1.75 and 1.80m) and had a big B/D ratio, most of it on their bulbs (48% and 49%). Both were considered very fast and seaworthy and of course, decades ahead of their time.

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A couple of other designs with, if not 'modern' fins, serious ballast bulbs include the Star class (1911) and the venerable Cal 20 (1961)



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Allures 39.9

For the ones really interested in the boat Yacht.de tested the boat and it will published in the first magazine of 2014. Some photos from the test:











I really hate that interior. Light and luminous interiors are fashionable now and I like them but it is not enough to paint everything white

http://www.allures.fr/pdf/FR_Allures399-Brochure.pdf

I really cannot understand. I like a lot the interior of the 45:

Allures 45 - Allures Yachting

That is even better on the real thing than in the 360º photo and I cannot understand why they have changed the style (and quality of design) so much. I doubt that many would prefer the new style.

They give credit to Franck Darnet for the interior of the 45 and none to the interior of the 39.9. Maybe they thought that they could save some money and make a "nice" interior designed in the house. If that was the case they will lose much more money than the one that would cost a decent interior study by a good specialized interior designer



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Yes, when Vand de Stadt was designing his own boats and was one of the most innovative NA around. There should be a law against using the name of a deceased NA while designing boats that have nothing to do with his original talent and inovation

The Black Soo is from 1957 and the Tarann from 1961 and both used what could be a modern ballasted keel. The Tarann was a more beamier boat however, even if the Tarann was not a beamy boat. Both had the same type of chined hull. Rge cabin of the Van De Stadt was better designed, at least aesthetically speaking since the Tarann offered more interior space.

The Tarann LWL was 8.10m nad the beam 2.66m. The Black Soo had a LWL of 7.90m and a beam of 2.13m. Both had about the same draft (1.75 and 1.80m) and had a big B/D ratio, most of it on their bulbs (48% and 49%). Both were considered very fast and seaworthy and of course, decades ahead of their time.

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Here's a great photo of Stephen Buckingham's "turbo-ed" Black Soo "Starbuck", sailing off Tiburon, CA in San Francisco Bay. Note the retractable sprit and "square-top" main.



There are some great photos (and a video) of the boat's restoration on a Dutch site:

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I've seen the boat on several occasions, sailing on SF Bay, and it's a beauty.

A good thread about the design and about Starbuck and Mirage, in Sailing Anarchy, with very large pictures of the hull shape and keel, which also show the flared aft quarter section quite nicely:

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...howtopic=52413
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I know that it already started some days ago but the video only showed up recently:



You can see the race and the ones that are doing the transat cruising here:

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The Transat Jaques Vabre and the mini transat are just finishing and then I will follow this one with more attention.

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Here's a great photo of Stephen Buckingham's "turbo-ed" Black Soo "Starbuck", sailing off Tiburon, CA in San Francisco Bay. Note the retractable sprit and "square-top" main.
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There are some great photos (and a video) of the boat's restoration on a Dutch site:

Wat voor boot is dit ???

I've seen the boat on several occasions, sailing on SF Bay, and it's a beauty.

A good thread about the design and about Starbuck and Mirage, in Sailing Anarchy, with very large pictures of the hull shape and keel, which also show the flared aft quarter section quite nicely:

Black Soo/ Royal Cape One design, details of - Cruising Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums
the boat sails nicely...and incredibly fast for a more than 50 year old boat.



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Re: Interesting Sailboats

There are some fantastic old designs out there which were way ahead of their time and have aged well - even able to updated without losing the original spirit. The Cal 40 from 1964 is one (although I've never seen first hand). A real favourite of mine is the Stewart 34 from NZ.

First launched in 1959 it was a revolution on Auckland harbour : light & shallow hull with deep fin keel and spade rudder (actually too small and rules changed later to allow deeper spades - see boat on the sling). Approx 60 built and still enjoying good one design fleet racing - up until the late 80's they were being used for the professional match racing event in NZ. They displace 4,695kg.

A simple concept and can be picked up for a very fair price today looking through the website its almost tempting ..........

Stewart 34 Yachting | The official web site of the Stewart 34 Owners Association of New Zealand

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