Interesting Sailboats

[HDChopper]

Huh ....that Bavrian 40 looks kinda plain jane inside for the bucks?

Sun Odyssey 409 .... looks sweet

Ya I looked this is pure boat porn lol.....

[PCP]

There are things that in my opinion are better on the Bavaria:

The Galley is bigger and probably more functional, the boat seems rock solid (look at that guy doing gyms on the handrails), plenty of handrails, that big swimming platform is a lot larger than the one from the 409, the boat has a geenaker retractable boom and the possibility of having 4 winches on the sides (German sheeting for the main sail). It has also a very smart way to protect the outside plotter from weather and thieves and off course it has that Kevlar protection on the hull against impacts.

On the Jeanneau 49:

The interior and the outside have a better overall design, the boat is faster, with more sail and less weight, the lateral passage on the deck is much bigger, the Genoa winches are closer to the wheel.

More thoughts?

Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

Originally Posted by nemier

What is this boat?
Tell me, then we'll get back to the Jeaneau's, I promise!

Sorry, I missed your post.

That was a Cowhorn, or at least it was what it said on the picture. I know very little about traditional American boats, but the rig of that one looked like the rig on my first sailboat.

Mine was similar to this one,
but modified by me. It had a big front boom, a deck and I used as front sail a jib and on the boom a thing that was a misture of a genoa and a geenaker (i thought that I had invented the thing ). The boat had a modified keel with lead on the bottom to increase stability and sailing power. It was a powerful boat and a nice one too. Had lot's of fun with it. Lots of good memories

Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

Originally Posted by HDChopper

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Ya I looked this is pure boat porn lol.....

I like boat porn, but my tastes are different. This is what I call boat porn

YouTube - SIG45 High Performance Catamaran Sailing Fast

One design

High performance yachts


Regards

paulo

[blt2ski]

Sorry Paulo, multi's do not do it for me, unless they are the open fast ones that race across oceans. Otherwise that little 10.5 that got this thread going is what i would call BP! off to marina and restaraunt, to see if the gale is in yet, along with snow falling......should be fun if happening. It was sunny and 40-45 knots saturday down there, water flying over the seewalls some 200-300' beyond..........nice to watch storms for the land sometimes!

[COOL]

Originally Posted by PCP

This is what I call boat porn

Wrap it up, I'll take it!
I think the SIG 45 is one the few good looking
cats on the market.

[PCP]

I don't like fat cruising cats, but this one is not fat and it is certainly a cruising cat and a very fast one. The interior would be enough for me and... do you have seen that huge teak platform? Can you not imagine yourself sitting there on a tropical paradise, on a real deck chair drinking mojitos?

And this one is not a 10.5 sailing machine. It's more a 18K sailing one .

But I can understand that it is not your style. Your boatporn is more like This?:

YouTube - XC50 boat test with Yachting World

YouTube - BĂĄdmagasinet - Xc 50 first test sail

or more modern, like this?:

YouTube - Murtic 52 boat test with Yachting World

Nah! I want the cat, and this one (put the movie in high def.):

YouTube - J Class Shamrock V 2008 Sailing in Montenegro, Croatia and Greece

Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

As a way of giving a better information about the boats posted on this thread, I am going to post links to independent boat tests, regarding those boats.

Kind of a second opinion

The first one will be about the Salona 41:

(post 398)



"SALONA have been steadily enhancing their reputation, sailing to considerable successes on the European race tracks with their 37 which was ‘Boat of the Year’ in 2007 and won many regattas including the Copa del Rey and more recently it took third spot at this year’s ORCi worlds in Flensburg, Germany as also did the Salona 42 which was skippered by Croatia’s former Finn Olympian Karlo Kuret, writes YL racing editor Andi Robertson.

The new J&J designed Salona 41 made an unmissable UK debut at the Southampton Boat Show. With loud ‘70s throwback graphics which would make Starsky & Hutch’s toes curl, it was a cruel way to disguise one of the show’s more interesting and exciting debut cruiser-racers.

Probably the least said about the graphics soonest mended, but suffice to say that they are only self adhesive, nothing a couple of hours with hairdryers and a scraper wouldn’t sort.

Nevertheless, the 41 is a good looking, modern design which neatly delivers all that is required of an adaptable performance cruiser.

From wide sidedecks, sunbathing areas, a massive unobstructed cockpit, a sympathetic deck and coachroof line, to an easily achieved fast sailing performance and a simply executed but spacious and comfortable layout down below, the Croatian built Salona 41 is a most acceptable alternative to some of the big name continental and Scandinavian offerings at this size range.

The Salona 41 is built using an ultra modern vacuum bagged resin infusion process which produces a light, stiff, resistant hull.

Salona take considerable store from their use of a substantial stainless steel chassis which accepts the rig, mast and keel loads and this and other key areas are bolstered by e-glass triaxial laminate reinforcements. Below the waterline they use clear rather than white gelcoat.

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She is a light, sprightly boat which accelerates smoothly and evenly and feels positive on the helm, but still appeared pretty stiff, ideal for fast short handed sailing.

There is a standard 140% furling genoa which would be well suited to the lighter summer winds off the Adriatic and Med, but we generally felt the boat moved well under the sail power we had and for long periods we had less than 10 knots of breeze accompanied by late summer Mediterranean sunshine.

Reaching in nine knots of breeze we were achieving 7.4-7.5 knots with a pleasing smooth wake, and little attention to the helm.

The boat tracks beautifully and the twin carbon wheels are great, offering excellent all round visibility. Shame we did not have a big reaching gennaker to get all excited with.

Certainly we were taken with the cockpit and generally with the ergonomics. The deep coamings around the cockpit give a good seat hold when the boat heels, or is heeled which rather compensates for the lack of foot or toe holds.
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We had a short beat back into Hamble with the offshore breeze puffing up to 15-16 knots with some obvious shifts and the Salona 41 really seemed to stay on her feet well, the deep high aspect rudder providing a feather light feel, but also positive grip.

She felt pretty quick, tacking neatly and efficiently with the small, non overlapping headsail making life easy for the short handed crew. The Salona 41 always felt manageable and pleasingly predictable with no nasty surprises.
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Looking forward there is a well executed sprayhood recess rail which does not alter the deckline significantly. The coachroof offers a good halyard deck cover which is easily removed but does offer a wide, fairly flat sunbathing space.
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On our test boat we especially liked the solid handholds. The galley is spacious with good stowage options and plenty of work space and opposite, the nav station is equally well appointed with a comfortable seating position. ....
The aft cabin is also well appointed for the size of boat this is, with good floor area and a little living space as well as good stowage. And at the bow the forward double cabin shows those same key values of space, light and comfort, being easily kept and maintained.

Overall we liked the Salona 41 a lot. From a company which is certainly one of the emerging strong brands, this is an exciting offering at an excellent price.

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Yachting Life

[sailingdog]

Basically, it's an oversized stiletto.

Originally Posted by PCP

I like boat porn, but my tastes are different. This is what I call boat porn

YouTube - SIG45 High Performance Catamaran Sailing Fast

One design

High performance yachts


Regards

paulo

[PCP]

Yes, it is the same basic concept. The difference is that size permits a really comfortable cruising interior and also the seaworthiness to be an offshore boat even if this seems to me like a sail machine not to be put in the hands of a novice sailor.

I guess that with some wind you can only put the power on if you have your hands on the sheets and that at night, or when you are occupied with another thing, you better reef those sails.

But as have said an old (70 year) Dragonfly cruiser to a friend of mine when he asked him if that was not a too powerful sailing boat for him: Well, I can go slower, but you cannot go faster

Regards

Paulo