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Thank you PCP - that explains a lot...
The outremer 64, which made line honours in the ARC+, is an austrian boat... Did not know that...

Back to the new RM...
I think that the place for the working winches just aside the companion way is somewhat awkward...
But a beautiful boat.
No it is not awkward. They have a long experience with this type of boats and the solution is used in other several fast boats of this type.

You have to consider that the main is a direct one, not needing winches and that the boat has a tiller so with the extension out you can reach the winches with the tiller on one hand not losing the control of the boat or needing the automatic pilot

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ARC - Arrivals

Let’s continue looking at the arrivals on the ARC:

On the next group after that Lagoon 44 entered the first medium weight 45fter, the one I consider one of best boats of this type, the XC 45, a beautiful boat with somewhat classic lines:



then a bigger an very expensive performance cruiser, a Sweden 54, followed at close range by a mass market cruiser of the same size, a Beneteau Oceanis 54:



Then a bigger performance cruiser, a C&C 61 followed at close range by the first 36fter, a First 36.7. Taking apart the Sunfast 3200, that is much more a racing boat than a cruiser, this was the first real “small” boat to finish the transat. Another Portuguese boat. Only three Portuguese boats on the Transat, the first one was that Lagoon 44 that finished ahead of many faster cats, this one, and a Dufour 40 that is not far. They all made a great Transat.



Then followed a bigger performance cruiser, a Grand Soleil 50. Some hours later come another group leading by a huge racer, a Challenge 72 ,the boat they used on the Global Challenge. Now they use a faster new one), then the 2nd First 40.7, a performance cruiser:



then a cat, a privilege 585, a Discovery 57, an Oyster 54, an Oyster 53 and another mass production boat with some years, a Gib sea 51:



A discovery 55 and close to it the first mass production cruiser (not a performance boat) with 40ft or less, a Dufour 385:



Great sailing on this one by an old Finnish septuagenarian owner, with 40 years of ocean racing experience, and an Italian Captain that is a great sailor. Followed a Vand de Stadt Moorea, also going very fast:



Some hours later arrived a fast Outremer 42 (cat) that here was not so fast followed by an Hanse 495 and another small performance cruiser, a X-412:



followed by an Oyster 625, and a Spirit 56:





Great performance for this type of boat. These guys sail in style.
then finished a Jeanneau 53, an Oyster 575, another fast cat, a Catana 471, an older Amel Maramu 2000 and the first Halberg Rassy, a 53fter, followed by a First 44.7 and the first 30fter, a brand new Pogo 30:



followed by an American Southerly 42 RST.



Just some words for the Pogo that made a great passage and for the Southerly that is the first medium weight 42fter to finish. I have to hide this from my wife. This is her preferred sailboat. The boat has a swing keel a very good interior and it is a true deck saloon with a great all around view. I discarded the boat explained to her that it was a very slow boat.

Conclusions: Much the same as on the last post with even more relevance for the number of Oysters and Discovery finishing on the head of the transat. Also a word for Beneteau and especially to the First line, with 4 boats among the first and with a 40.7 and a 36.7 doing a great performance.
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Personally find best "feel" is with a tiller, second with single wheel as moving less hardware. Given unless you are doing round the buoy races 95% or greater of the time boat is on AP if cruising so this is not a big issue for many sailors. Similarly given the no moving parts reliability of a tiller for voyagers a tiller may make great sense. With a tiller you can just tilt it up so the whole cockpit is clear when at anchor. Think it a shame fewer and fewer boats are offered with option of 1 wheel or two or tiller.
Agree with the preference for tiller steering, and we are not alone. Almost all the IMOCA 60's feature tiller steering - sometimes twin tillers on either side of the cockpit, sometimes two tillers terminating at a single point in the middle of the rear of the cockpit. The Sunfast 3200 features the twin tiller set-up, as well. For me, it is the best of both worlds - opens the rear of the boat, for easy access to the transom, but preserves the feel of tiller steering, particularly upwind.

Having said that, I've driven boats with big single wheels and double wheels, and prefer double wheels, particularly for buoy racing.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

After that list regarding all those modern luxurious medium weight, performance cruisers and middle of the road mass market cruisers all with great interiors doing a fast transat I cannot resist to repost this old post about marina boats. It seems that it is what they all are, at least in Gusmus opinion...... and now we are talking about them not for 43 pages but for more than 500

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43 Pages and I'm astounded. 10% of the posts on here are about how the boat actually sails and about its seakeeping qualities. 90% of the posts are about how big the bloody shower is. Jeez. Buy a caravan or go sailing bluewater and then decide how big the shower needs to be after a force 8 or 9 kicks you in the butt.. I have read the thread in "Almost" its entirity, which, is the reason I felt the need to post as I did.

Looking through the lists and photos of most of the boats mentioned I'd have to say that there are a huge amount of non sailing dreamers and/or marina dwellers posting. There are basically three types of sailor. The racer, The cruiser, AND, The Marina dweller. All three have specific needs when choosing a boat, but, when looking at interiors which will obviously become exagerated tumble dryers in anything above a force 4 I'll stick to my last post. Buy a caravan.....
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Dufour 310 first images.

Lot's of people complaining that there are not new interesting 30fts on the market, well, this seems to be a luxury year in what regards 30ft boats: The Pogo 30, the RM 890, the Malango 888, Elan 320 and the Dufour 310.

Others complain that the boats are all the same...well these ones are all different and pointing to different styles of sailing and cruising. Quite a choice I would say

The Dufour represents the type of cruiser suited for more sailors, the typical program for a mass production boat, but the design is brilliant and Felci have managed to make a very balanced and beautiful boat.

I like Dufours, some have complained about its finish that I do not find worse than the competition, but the design is top and the performance....well, we have just to look at the ARC. We did not reach there in what regards statistics regarding smaller 38/40ft cruisers, but Dufour has been probably the brand that comes out better.

We will see that better but for now a beautiful 30ft and certainly a fast one, considering that it is not a performance cruiser. Great interior too

From the Nautic de Paris where the boat was presented:



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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Maybe the Seascape 27 is the Pogo's little brother

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Re: The first video with the new the RM 890, directly from the Nautic de Paris:

Voile and Voilers says about the boat:

"The much waited 890 RM that replaces the 880 does not disappoint on the quality of its design and on its accommodation: every detail of this Lombard Design is designed to facilitate navigation. The interior is bright and spacious and the boat feels like a much bigger boat. ..."[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting the new RM. I've had great expectations to see this little yacht. The new canopy line, bow and fixed sprit are beautiful. RM, Pogo and even Dufour have an important understanding of winch ergonomics that translate from solo sailing very well. Winch placement for crewed racing is very diferrent, and does not translate to easy sailing or shorthand cruising at all. That is a compromise of racer-cruisers. I think there is a concept of performance cruising in La Rochelle which is very clear and different from racer cruisers. Even with a full family on board, especially with children, we find ourselves single-handing, and when things are in the "right" place for a single-hander, there is no need for "move out of the way", "pull here when I say", and all that yelling I often hear in some boats. Precisely why many families drop out of sailing, because they can't enjoy it while they're at it.

The canopy of the new 890 looks great, but too bad it doesn't work for the headroom (OUCH!). They should've stuck to the high 1060 canopy. I'm hoping they do a 1065 with the sexy lines of the 890. It would top my list for my next boat. That new Pogo 30 is a close second and the Dufour 310 looks great too.
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Laura Dekker movie:



Do you know that initially his voyage was initially previewed to be made in a 8.30m sailboat, a Hurley 800?

That Laura, daughter of divorced fathers, had been prevented to leave school by the child protection authorities for about a year? That she was not allowed by the Dutch naval authorities to skipper the boat and to evade that she was given as a missing person to the Police?

That she intended to start her voyage from Portugal and was prevented to do so because she had not the required age to skipper a boat?

Independently of the sailing achievement Laura Dekker is an interesting case in what regards education responsibility and father's freedom of choice and social responsability in what regards children education.

On most countries there is a minimum required schooling age where they are forced to attend to school (compulsory education) and have no permission to work. On more civilized countries that age is between 16 and 18.
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Maybe the Seascape 27 is the Pogo's little brother

Seascape does Jabuka race 2013 - YouTube
Not really. The Seascape 27 is a great boat but not with the same sailing program of the Pogo. We have already talked about the Seascape, it is a daysailer or a week-end cruiser, not a Class A boat. The Pogo 30 is a true cruiser with a much more ambitious sailing program, one that can include crossing oceans. If you want to talk with a smaller boat with the same program then we would be talking about the Django 770 that on one of its versions (unsinkable) is the smallest boat I know that has passed Class A certification and is also a fast and fun boat to sail.

Django 770 : teaser de l'essai complet en vidéo

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More crazy stuff:



Well, one more circumnavigation what's crazy about that?

That is going to be attempted by a pro, a good one, Yvan Bourgnon, with Vincent Beauvarlet on an OPEN SMALL CAT

The objective:

To do the first World circumnavigation with a non cruising sailboat (on a sport catamaran 6.3 meters long) and also a circumnavigation with a boat with less than 6.5 meters with no support, no GPS (navigation sextant).

Yvan Bourgnon is a great sailor:







But this is a madness




His crew, Vincent Beauvarlet, a wind surf champion give up at Canary Islands but that seems not to be a problem for Bourgnon that crossed the Atlantic alone but...he says about it " The boat almost capsized 150 times till it really capsized in a big storm.... I fought with all my strength to get back to the boat and to put it back on his feet....sometimes I got 60K winds...this is not for all, it is very risky."

Yvan Bourgnon : «J'ai lutté comme un fou, un féroce» - 11/12/2013 - LaDépêche.fr

I have to say that I had necer any doubt about that, I mean that is not for all and that is very risky

And after losing being abandoned by the crew and almost losing is live is he going to quit? No way, he will continue alone.

You can follow the mad circumnavigation of Yvan Bourgnon here:

Le défi d?Yvan | Yvan Bourgnon
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