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Re: Interesting Sailboats

ISAF - AC:
It seems clear also to me that the 8-0 comeback of ORACLE was essentially a technical achievement. Since they did'nt break the rules, it wasn't unfair in this hightech event. But I certainly agree this was not a major sportive achievement.

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Paulo is right: Structures only exposes models on dry boatshows, if they participate anyway.
The (floating) Grand Pavois in the nearby La Rochelle is where real scale Pogo's will be visible, otherwise you will need to visit the yard itself in Combrit.

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Husar 28 and 42

Never posted about them probably becuase the 28 was already around (2008) when I started this thread but it is one of the few boats from that vintage that still looks like a brand new model and that's pretty amazing:







and when that happens normally that means that the boat is a great design. The H28 is a daysailor/weekend cruiser with racing potential, the designers, like the boat are Polish, Tymon Butkiewicz and industrial designer Wojciech Wesolek. This is certainly not the typical Polish boat even if the price is remarkably low for the type of boat.

It has interesting dimensions:

LOA : 8 . 5 5 m
LWL : 7 . 9 7 m
Beam B: 2 . 5 9 m
Draft: 1 . 9 0 / 0 . 8 0 m (or fixed keel with 1.90m)
Displacement : 2 . 5 00 kg
Ballast : 1 .350 kg
Electric Engine : 1 . 8 k W
Berths : 4
Cabin Height : 1 . 5 5 m
Sail Area : 51 m 2

http://yfm.yachtfocus.com/uploads/ni...8_brochure.pdf



The 42 is a new one, still being built and it is also a nice boat (I like more the little one) with very interesting dimensions: Both are certainly very fast boats... very fast with style at a moderate price? I wonder why they don't sell more. Interesting boats no doubt.





Length overall .....12.80 m
Water line length..11.30 m
Beam..................3.60 m
Draught...............2.50 / 2.20 m
Sails area.............99 m2
Gennaker area.......190 m2
Displacement.........6.7 t
Ballast..................3.4 t
Design category......A


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I do not know the price tag for the 28 but the 42 will be pretty expensive especially for a polish boat (about 400k€)..
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I do not know the price tag for the 28 but the 42 will be pretty expensive especially for a polish boat (about 400k€)..
These boats have to be expensive and all is relative. Less expensive than a Brenta for sure.

Regarding the Husar 28 I saw this price but it should be a mistake. This boat cannot cost this price. It has to be more expensive

Custom Line - Huzar 28 Sailboat for sale in Germany :: Boatshop24

http://www.scanboat.com/uk/BoatSaleA...agsnr=13040835

If it cost this price then it is not expensive at all for the quality.

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Bora... Always good for some stress...
My favorite tough weather sailing video, even if older...
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Look this! A MOD 70 in a Melges 24 size.

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Bora... Always good for some stress...
My favorite tough weather sailing video, even if older...
Rough Weather Sailing - BT Global Challenge 2000 - YouTube
Yes, not weather for amateurs. I love those guys sitting on a rail of a 40 000kg boat on those conditions. We can also see the differences in what regards boat design in 15 years and they are quite impressive between the boats from the Challenge and Clipper boats):

From a narrow 72ft boat with weight of 38 000kg ,a beam of 5.5m, a draft of 3.0m and a B/D ratio of of 27% we passed to a 75.6ft boat with less overhangs, more beam but mostly a larger transom, lighter, the same draft and with a superior stability: LOA 75’6’’, weight 31 190kg, beam 5.65m, B/D ratio of 39%. The draft is the same but the newer boat has a more efficient keel that allows for a lower keel CG (independently of the ballast, that is also bigger) and that translates in a bigger RM provided by the more modern keel.

This will make not only for a faster boat but also for a more seaworthy one with more stability and much less prone to pitch the frightening way the older boat does on bad weather, like you can see on the video.

The pitch movement will be much smaller due to the less overhang and superior buoyancy at the bow, at the transom and for a much more centered weight on the boat due mainly to the bigger ballast ratio and different building materials (steel versus GRP).

Many times sailors associate a superior seaworthiness regarding older hull shapes that they call " less extreme" but that is not generically true.

That big pitch movement is responsible for much of the hardship that we see on the video: When the boat has the bow fully buried at the water it is at the mercy of the next wave that just sweep the deck and cockpit.

A visual comparison between the two boats that it is a good reference in what regards hull evolution on the last 15 years, also look at the keel and rudders:










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Look this! A MOD 70 in a Melges 24 size.
Here with more wind:



Very impressive. With 6/10K the boat is doing what? 12/13K speed?

Very interesting concept, well coming from VPLP it would not to be expected less.

Le concept diam 24 one design : naviguer autrement | diam24onedesign


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