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... And despite my personal indifference to the Americas Cup, wasn't Jimmy Spithill's accomplishment nothing short of miraculous in the history of yacht racing, coming from an 8 race deficit to win the Cup?

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Regarding Spithill achievement on the AC being a sportive one, I don't think so. In fact at the time I said that I did not believed that all those straight victories, after the Oracle boat have being out-sailed consistently by the NZ boat, had to do with nothing but with anything that was introduced in the American boat regarding foil control, something that the NZ boat didn't have.

Today I know that I was right, so, given the big difference that created on the two competing boats Spithill, that is a top sailor, had no trouble in beating the NZ team, but it was not a fair fight nor a big sportive achievement.

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This had been accepted by the jury and the Oracle team said with a lot of hypocrisy that the NZ team, instead of filling a protest should have developed a similar system. of course they forget that they presented the system to the jury in August giving no time or chance to the NZ team to develop something similar since they were busy racing winning the right to be the defying team and the main races with oracle were just days away.

For maintaining fairness the jury should have refused that system presented almost at the beginning of the main event: The races between the defender and the challenger.

It was not Spithill that have beaten Dean Barker but that hydraulic/electric system that only they had.

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Re: The Oracle victory on the AC and Spithill

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Regarding Spithill achievement on the AC being a sportive one, I don't think so. In fact at the time I said that I did not believed that all those straight victories, after the Oracle boat have being out-sailed consistently by the NZ boat, had to do with nothing but with anything that was introduced in the American boat regarding foil control, something that the NZ boat didn't have.

Today I know that I was right, so, given the big difference that created on the two competing boats Spithill, that is a top sailor, had no trouble in beating the NZ team, but it was not a fair fight nor a big sportive achievement.

This had been accepted by the jury and the Oracle team said with a lot of hypocrisy that the NZ team, instead of filling a protest should have developed a similar system. of course they forget that they presented the system to the jury in August giving no time or chance to the NZ team to develop something similar since they were busy racing winning the right to be the defying team and the main races with oracle were just days away.

For maintaining fairness the jury should have refused that system presented almost at the beginning of the main event: The races between the defender and the challenger.

It was not Spithill that have beaten Dean Barker but that hydraulic/electric system that only they had.

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With all due respect, when you know you have a speed disadvantage in match racing, then you have to resort to a different strategy to win. And this is where I think Spithill deserves credit... or perhaps, Dean Barker deserves somce criticism. If you are ETNZ and you suddenly realize your competitor is faster, you need to get extremely aggressive to draw penalties and force the comeptition to make mistakes. Either Barker wasn't aggressive enough, or Spithill (and Ainslie / Slingsby) did a superb job of not picking up fouls or making mistakes. My 2 cents.

But, as I said, it was just an example and the AC isn't my cup of tea anyway. And let me add that I've got nothing against recognizing Olympic dinghy sailors as ISAF sailors of the year - e.g., Scheidt and Ainslie both deserved that recognition, given the magnitude of their achievements in that venue. But both of those sailors are at the top of the sport regardless of what they're sailing - e.g., Scheidt in Stars, Ainslie in AC45s (and just about everything else he jumps aboard). But totally agree that ISAF doesn't have its act together in general, perhaps because it doesn't have access to the big $$$ that auto racing and football do (and other international sports we could mention - e.g., FIBA).

BTW, any sighting of the Pogo 3 which was supposed to be on display at Paris Nautique? I can't find any reference to it on the PN or Structures' sites, and Googling for photos comes up with nothing other than 3D renderings.
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BTW, any sighting of the Pogo 3 which was supposed to be on display at Paris Nautique? I can't find any reference to it on the PN or Structures' sites, and Googling for photos comes up with nothing other than 3D renderings.
You said already that but I don't think the Pogo 3 was on the Mautic of Paris. In fact I never saw a Pogo there: They simply don't go with their boats to the Nautic. Too expensive and they prefer to make the boats as inexpensive as they can. The max I had saw from Pogo on past Paris boat shows were miniatures of the boats

Here you can see a presentation of new sailboats on the Paris boat show. Not a shadow of a Pogo, including the Pogo 30.



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Re: Interesting Sailboats

ISAF - AC:
It seems clear also to me that the 8-0 comeback of ORACLE was essentially a technical achievement. Since they did'nt break the rules, it wasn't unfair in this hightech event. But I certainly agree this was not a major sportive achievement.

POGO:
Paulo is right: Structures only exposes models on dry boatshows, if they participate anyway.
The (floating) Grand Pavois in the nearby La Rochelle is where real scale Pogo's will be visible, otherwise you will need to visit the yard itself in Combrit.

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Husar 28 and 42

Never posted about them probably becuase the 28 was already around (2008) when I started this thread but it is one of the few boats from that vintage that still looks like a brand new model and that's pretty amazing:







and when that happens normally that means that the boat is a great design. The H28 is a daysailor/weekend cruiser with racing potential, the designers, like the boat are Polish, Tymon Butkiewicz and industrial designer Wojciech Wesolek. This is certainly not the typical Polish boat even if the price is remarkably low for the type of boat.

It has interesting dimensions:

LOA : 8 . 5 5 m
LWL : 7 . 9 7 m
Beam B: 2 . 5 9 m
Draft: 1 . 9 0 / 0 . 8 0 m (or fixed keel with 1.90m)
Displacement : 2 . 5 00 kg
Ballast : 1 .350 kg
Electric Engine : 1 . 8 k W
Berths : 4
Cabin Height : 1 . 5 5 m
Sail Area : 51 m 2

http://yfm.yachtfocus.com/uploads/ni...8_brochure.pdf



The 42 is a new one, still being built and it is also a nice boat (I like more the little one) with very interesting dimensions: Both are certainly very fast boats... very fast with style at a moderate price? I wonder why they don't sell more. Interesting boats no doubt.





Length overall .....12.80 m
Water line length..11.30 m
Beam..................3.60 m
Draught...............2.50 / 2.20 m
Sails area.............99 m2
Gennaker area.......190 m2
Displacement.........6.7 t
Ballast..................3.4 t
Design category......A
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I do not know the price tag for the 28 but the 42 will be pretty expensive especially for a polish boat (about 400k€)..
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I do not know the price tag for the 28 but the 42 will be pretty expensive especially for a polish boat (about 400k€)..
These boats have to be expensive and all is relative. Less expensive than a Brenta for sure.

Regarding the Husar 28 I saw this price but it should be a mistake. This boat cannot cost this price. It has to be more expensive

Custom Line - Huzar 28 Sailboat for sale in Germany :: Boatshop24

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If it cost this price then it is not expensive at all for the quality.

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