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.... e.g., Farr in previous Volvos. And I believe Stamm's boat was JuanK's first IMOCA 60 effort.
Yes, that's why he was rewarded into design the new VOR one class

Seriously I can wait to see the time the new VOR to compete with the older ones in other races. I would not be surprised if they were slower

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Sydney-Hobart

Nobody has anything to say? Nobody following this one?

That's true that the tracker is a stone age thing that does not even have a weather prevision or a play back button but this seems to be the more interesting Sydney-Hobart in years with some very curious results being probably the more unexpected the outstanding results of the two VOR70 towards much bigger boats leaving behind several older designed Maxi 100ft racing yachts. Among the two VOR 70, the Juan Kouyoumdjian Giacamo (ex- Grupama) is making a great race fighting head to head with the favorite 30ft bigger Wild Oats.

Black Jack (ex-Telefonica), also a JK designed boat, is not faraway and ahead of other two Maxi 100ft favorites, the Ragamuffin 100 (designed by Greg Elliott in 1989 and extensively modified in 2004 when it was lengthened to 98ft and again in 2009, lengthened this time to 100ft) and the old Skandia, now re-baptized Wild Thing (designed by Don Jones in 2003).

Wild thing is head to head with the new designed Botin Beau Gest and even if the Botin is 20ft shorter many, including me, would expect a better performance, one not inferior of the two VOR 70. Maybe the boat is just too new and not yet completely sorted out.

All the other boats are well behind being the first of them the brand new Ichi Ban, a Carkeek 60 (Carkeek design).

For now the man that rules is Juan Kouyoumdjian whose designs are not only leading the race, but that has between the four first three of them
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Nobody has anything to say? Nobody following this one?

That's true that the tracker is a stone age thing that does not even have a weather prevision or a play back button but this seems to be the more interesting Sydney-Hobart in years with some very curious results being probably the more unexpected the outstanding results of the two VOR70 towards much bigger boats leaving behind several older designed Maxi 100ft racing yachts. Among the two VOR 70, the Juan Kouyoumdjian Giacamo (ex- Grupama) is making a great race fighting head to head with the favorite 30ft bigger Wild Oats.

Black Jack (ex-Telefonica), also a JK designed boat, is not faraway and ahead of other two Maxi 100ft favorites, the Ragamuffin 100 (designed by Greg Elliott in 1989 and extensively modified in 2004 when it was lengthened to 98ft and again in 2009, lengthened this time to 100ft) and the old Skandia, now re-baptized Wild Thing (designed by Don Jones in 2003).

Wild thing is head to head with the new designed Botin Beau Gest and even if the Botin is 20ft shorter many, including me, would expect a better performance, one not inferior of the two VOR 70. Maybe the boat is just too new and not yet completely sorted out.

All the other boats are well behind being the first of them the brand new Ichi Ban, a Carkeek 60 (Carkeek design).

For now the man that rules is Juan Kouyoumdjian whose designs are not only leading the race, but that has between the four first three of them
I was following the race at the start, and watched the initial videos on the McConaghy FB site. But, as you say, it is difficult to get very excited about this race due to the antique coverage. There really is no good reason that cameras could not be mounted on all the IRC 0 boats, at least. But since this is still a largely "amateur" event (despite all the top boats being professionally crewed), there's no pressure from sponsors for better media coverage.

In my earlier remarks about this race, I had my money on the VO 70's, after seeing how quick Black Jack was in the SOLAS Regatta, relative to Wild Oats and Loyal. And at the start, on the fetch to the first turning mark, you could see Giacomo blasting along on the starboard side of the course, easily keeping pace with the Maxis and Mini-Maxis. Beau Geste rounded second, behind WO, with Black Jack in fourth behind Loyal.

And I certainly have to agree with you, Paulo, that the decision to award the VO One Design contract to Farr, after JuanK boats have dominated that race (not to mention having proved execeedingly durable), was a questionable decision. Unless, of course, the goals was to slow the VO boats down and make sure they all finish every leg. But in that case, why not buy some Clipper 70s?
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The first Whitbread Round the World 1973/4

Sure, it was a long time ago and the video is available on the NET but those videos had a very low quality and were a pain to watch. Not anymore. This one was remastered on HD.

This is the race that was largely dominated by Great Britain II and Chay Blyth that won three of the four legs in real time, losing overboard a crew member on the process.

Two other man were lost on other boats overboard. Is good to remember that when he talk about the danger of racing on modern VOR (that go at more than two times the speed of these old shoes) like if it was more dangerous now than then.

Eric Tabarly also entered this one but with bad luck chasing him: He broke the mast twice in two different legs, won another one and beat the world's sailing 24 hour absolute record.

The race now in HD:

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Loyal and Oats even entering Bass Strait
Running in light breeze favors the narrow Oats
BIG breeze coming entering Hobart
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WOXI leads the pack now, 5nm ahead of PL. I was so curious on the performance of the Sydney GTS43 but there is not a single one racing...
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Loyal and Oats even entering Bass Strait
Running in light breeze favors the narrow Oats
BIG breeze coming entering Hobart
Well, despite our speculation, it's turning out to be a battle of the 100 footers after all, with WO, Loyal and Ragamuffin opening up a pretty substantial lead over the VO70s, Beau Geste, Wild Thing, Ichi Ban, et al.

Don't think the big breeze will arrive soon enough to allow Giacomo and Black Jack to catch up, but it could be enough to allow Loyal to squeeze by WO in the home stretch, unless it's on the nose and an upwind slog-fest. And once they're in the Derwent and it goes light, WO will have the advantage.

Veloce (Elliott 44CR) is having a great race so far and certainly made some improvements somewhere since last year, when they finished 36th overall. But I wouldn't count out Midnight Rambler (Ker 40) yet. Not only have they won the overall before, they may have the most experienced crew in the race. This is where the excitement is, IMHO, not so much in the line honours battle.

Hope nobody gets in trouble when the approaching low pressure system arrives.
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Loyal and Oats even entering Bass Strait
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WOXI leads the pack now, 5nm ahead of PL. I was so curious on the performance of the Sydney GTS43 but there is not a single one racing...

Pelicano was saying this is mostly an amateur race. I have to agree that even if many on this race are professionals the more important part are amateurs and that is just a pity. I am refereeing to the ones that organize the race (and also many skippers) that make this one continue to be club racing instead of a major international event. How do they expect to promote the race if they take all the fun if they present a tracker that is way worse than the one they utilize on the ARC

Don't take me wrong, this is a great race but I am really pissed with an amateurish organization (that keep away multihull, as if they did not exist or were not sailboats) that prevents this one to turn in a big international race reuniting all major racing boats and not only the local ones

As example of that amateurish outlook you have only to look at the tracker that does not have the weather prevision, does not show the the speed of each boat and it is impossible to play back to understand the conditions and strategies that lead to the position the boats occupy now. It is no fun to follow a race this way.

For what I can tell and as Edward says, they have been sailing in unusually light winds and that is one of the few situations were Wild Oats has an advantage over Loyal and that has showed on the race results with the narrow boats coming forward, including Wild Oats that is leading.

Edwards says that stronger winds will appear and I take as good his words but the tracker makes impossible to know that and even on the news from the race they don't say much...it is all very vague as if they didn't have any certitude about the strength of the wind and the hour it will show up:

"A frustrated Anthony Bell, skipper of Perpetual LOYAL summed it up dryly: “We’re just bobbing around here. We have four knots across the deck. I’ve seen it windier in my two-year-old daughter’s indoor swimming lessons.”
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What Perpetual LOYAL needs, Bell says, is 12 to 14 knots of wind to come into her own, but he has little expectation of more wind until late tomorrow.

“It’ll be pretty light until midday. Maybe we’ll get something tomorrow, at the back end of the day.”

The Bureau of Meteorology is a little more optimistic, predicting the leading seven should have favorable winds tomorrow morning. The Bureau expects strengthening north-easterlies will push them down the Tasmanian north-east coast, and a possible race finish tomorrow evening.

The Bureau is also forecasting a weather change late tomorrow evening in Bass Strait and off the Tasmanian south-east coast. It is forecasting west to south-westerly winds of 30 to 40 knots. So in contrast to the frontrunners today, on Saturday night and throughout Sunday the smaller boats will have a traditional Rolex Sydney Hobart slog across Bass Strait.

Bell dearly wishes it were the other way round.
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He is hoping that the front will come sooner than forecast, before the frontrunners reach Tasman Island."


Tracker - Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2013

Robelz, yes, it is pretty astounding that the winner of the last race in compensated, the Sydney 43, is not defending its title. I don't have a clue why.

Among the smaller boats special notice and by this order on the classification, to a Rodgers 46 (Celestial), an Elliot 44cr (Veloce) a Ker 46 (Patrice) and then to the first 40fter, a racing Ker 40 (Midnight Rambler).

Some distance back another 40fter, a Caprice 40 (Chutzpah) then a Humphrerys 42 (Zanzibar), a DK 43 (Minerva) and then the First mass production boat, a First 45 Shinning sea) followed by two another oner First 45 (Senna and Ballance).

To give you an idea of the performance of these boats, the ones above and immediately below, let me say they are running, some ahead some on the middle of Clipper 70 fleet.

Then a lot of smaller boats racing among the big ones: A sydney 38, a King 40, a MBD 41, a Salona 44, a Bakewell-White 39, a First 40, a A40, another Sydney 38 and another First 40.

I wonder why among all those exotic, practically all one off, very fast Australian boats there is not a single Sydney 37GTS or Sydney 43GTS, the only ones that today are produced? Certainly it is not because they are not competitive since the Sydney 43 won the last race. They have money to spend on huge boats but not money to buy their own production fast boats boats that can win on compensated??? This one I really don't understand.

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Sydney GTs37? Is one built yet?
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Sydney GTs37? Is one built yet?
That's the point: No But the only thing it is needed is an order

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