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Pelicano was saying this is mostly an amateur race. I have to agree that even if many on this race are professionals the more important part are amateurs and that is just a pity. I am refereeing to the ones that organize the race (and also many skippers) that make this one continue to be club racing instead of a major international event. How do they expect to promote the race if they take all the fun if they present a tracker that is way worse than the one they utilize on the ARC

Don't take me wrong, this is a great race but I am really pissed with an amateurish organization (that keep away multihull, as if they did not exist or were not sailboats) that prevents this one to turn in a big international race reuniting all major racing boats and not only the local ones

As example of that amateurish outlook you have only to look at the tracker that does not have the weather prevision, does not show the the speed of each boat and it is impossible to play back to understand the conditions and strategies that lead to the position the boats occupy now. It is no fun to follow a race this way.

For what I can tell and as Edward says, they have been sailing in unusually light winds and that is one of the few situations were Wild Oats has an advantage over Loyal and that has showed on the race results with the narrow boats coming forward, including Wild Oats that is leading.

Edwards says that stronger winds will appear and I take as good his words but the tracker makes impossible to know that and even on the news from the race they don't say much...it is all very vague as if they didn't have any certitude about the strength of the wind and the hour it will show up:

"A frustrated Anthony Bell, skipper of Perpetual LOYAL summed it up dryly: “We’re just bobbing around here. We have four knots across the deck. I’ve seen it windier in my two-year-old daughter’s indoor swimming lessons.”
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What Perpetual LOYAL needs, Bell says, is 12 to 14 knots of wind to come into her own, but he has little expectation of more wind until late tomorrow.

“It’ll be pretty light until midday. Maybe we’ll get something tomorrow, at the back end of the day.”

The Bureau of Meteorology is a little more optimistic, predicting the leading seven should have favorable winds tomorrow morning. The Bureau expects strengthening north-easterlies will push them down the Tasmanian north-east coast, and a possible race finish tomorrow evening.

The Bureau is also forecasting a weather change late tomorrow evening in Bass Strait and off the Tasmanian south-east coast. It is forecasting west to south-westerly winds of 30 to 40 knots. So in contrast to the frontrunners today, on Saturday night and throughout Sunday the smaller boats will have a traditional Rolex Sydney Hobart slog across Bass Strait.

Bell dearly wishes it were the other way round.
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He is hoping that the front will come sooner than forecast, before the frontrunners reach Tasman Island."


Tracker - Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2013

Robelz, yes, it is pretty astounding that the winner of the last race in compensated, the Sydney 43, is not defending its title. I don't have a clue why.

Among the smaller boats special notice and by this order on the classification, to a Rodgers 46 (Celestial), an Elliot 44cr (Veloce) a Ker 46 (Patrice) and then to the first 40fter, a racing Ker 40 (Midnight Rambler).

Some distance back another 40fter, a Caprice 40 (Chutzpah) then a Humphrerys 42 (Zanzibar), a DK 43 (Minerva) and then the First mass production boat, a First 45 Shinning sea) followed by two another oner First 45 (Senna and Ballance).

To give you an idea of the performance of these boats, the ones above and immediately below, let me say they are running, some ahead some on the middle of Clipper 70 fleet.

Then a lot of smaller boats racing among the big ones: A sydney 38, a King 40, a MBD 41, a Salona 44, a Bakewell-White 39, a First 40, a A40, another Sydney 38 and another First 40.

I wonder why among all those exotic, practically all one off, very fast Australian boats there is not a single Sydney 37GTS or Sydney 43GTS, the only ones that today are produced? Certainly it is not because they are not competitive since the Sydney 43 won the last race. They have money to spend on huge boats but not money to buy their own production fast boats boats that can win on compensated??? This one I really don't understand.

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There was a time, in the history of this race, when boats did come from all over the world to compete. This was in the days when more than 200 boats woud enter. But I think after the 1998 race things have been going downhill. The entry requirements were made stricter, for safety reasons, and restrictions placed on crew (only those with a certain amount of offshore experience and specific training were allowed).

Of course, these were probably all good things to do, but add to that a generally poor global economy, the distance it takes to get yachts to Australia from Europe and North America (even if it is winter in the northern hemisphere), limited relevant sponsorship, minimal media attention (even in Australia!), and the generally amateurish race organization, and it's not surprising that this race isn't the big deal it should be - e.g., the Fastnet of the southern hemisphere.

Let me quickly add that the Sydney Hobart isn't alone in this respect. Another classic race that ought to be much bigger and more prestigious is the bi-annual TransPac Race, from Los Angeles, California to Honolulu, Hawaii. This race (which I did in 1997) has a long tradition of poor management, lack of interest in building media attention, and even greater lack of interest in buidling participation. It says a lot about this race that it's most important contribution to the sport has been the development of the TP52 class, arguably the premier professional racing class in the world today. And yet, it's a class that never paid much attention to the race after which it was named, hence the official class name "change" from Transpac 52 to TP52, and certainly never made any impact on the race (I'm a huge TP52 fan, by the way, particularly with the IRC modifications).

Sometimes I suppose that tradition plays a big part in keeping races like these from becoming more than they are. The people who have the biggest stake don't want to lose control or get displaced by professional race management and marketing people.

All the same, if I had the opportunity to do the Sydney-Hobart Race I would do so without hesitation. Same for the Fastnet or the Mini Transat. However, I will take a pass on the Vendée and the VOR. That's way out of my league.
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Since we have not decent images of the Sydney-Hobart lets look at some really beautiful ones. There are many ways of loving sailing, some sail, some design boats, some paint and some take photos and among these Carlo Borlenghi is one of the best and beauty comes out of his work.

Am interview in Italian. Be patient, just put the movie in the best definition, wait for the photos to show up and stop the image: If you like boats and sailing, you will love Carlo's work:

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Since we have not decent images of the Sydney-Hobart lets look at some really beautiful ones. There are many ways of loving sailing, some sail, some design boats, some paint and some take photos and among these Carlo Borlenghi is one of the best and beauty comes out of his work.

Am interview in Italian. Be patient, just put the movie in the best definition, wait for the photos to show up and stop the image: If you like boats and sailing, you will love Carlo's work:
Wow.

Tell me he doesn't live on Lake Garda.

Lovely house, incredible art work on the walls, beautiful wife, and amazing photographs.

Did I miss anything?

Liked how they put the interviewer to work in the kitchen, stirring the pot. Thanks very much for sharing, Paulo.
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Sure, it was a long time ago and the video is available on the NET but those videos had a very low quality and were a pain to watch. Not anymore. This one was remastered on HD.

This is the race that was largely dominated by Great Britain II and Chay Blyth that won three of the four legs in real time, losing overboard a crew member on the process.

Two other man were lost on other boats overboard. Is good to remember that when he talk about the danger of racing on modern VOR (that go at more than two times the speed of these old shoes) like if it was more dangerous now than then.

Eric Tabarly also entered this one but with bad luck chasing him: He broke the mast twice in two different legs, won another one and beat the world's sailing 24 hour absolute record.

The race now in HD:
Those were certainly different times from today, even though not really so long ago. Perhaps one of the last times you had beer and cigarettes as staple provisions.

Not to take away from how difficult it is to race the current generation of high performance VOR boats around the world, but I think everyone would agree that the men and women who competed in those early Whitbread races were made of tough stuff. And for the last couple of VORs the fleet hasn't spent much time in the Southern Ocean, while the mandatory ice gates have reduced the risk of growlers. Even in those days, however, it was crazy to go down to 60S and demonstrates, to me, a shocking lack of good judgement in putting the crews at such risk (not to mention that nobody wore tethers or PFDs in those days).

Anyway, thanks very much for posting this wonderful bit of history for us. Watching it made me want to go ocean racing right away.
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Well, the wind come to the race, but too late for Loyal. The two leading boats are almost doing 20K. Right now Wild Oats have more wind but soon Loyal will be the fastest boat, but not in time to recover the 38nm that separates him from the leader.

For the victory in Handicap things are not decided yet: The leading boat is a slow one, an old Farr 43 (wild Rose) that is only in 60th overall. I hope that Brannew, a First 40 CR that is making a well of race can beat it in compensated since in real time it is 21 places ahead I hate one slow boats won in handicap.
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Well, the wind come to the race, but too late for Loyal. The two leading boats are almost doing 20K. Right now Wild Oats have more wind but soon Loyal will be the fastest boat, but not in time to recover the 38nm that separates him from the leader.

For the victory in Handicap things are not decided yet: The leading boat is a slow one, an old Farr 43 (wild Rose) that is only in 60th overall. I hope that Brannew, a First 40 CR that is making a well of race can beat it in compensated since in real time it is 21 places ahead I hate one slow boats won in handicap.
Nice little battle going on between the two VOR70s, with Black Jack leading Giacomo by .5 mile, and Beau Geste a few miles back of them.

Meanwhile, looks like the wheels fell off for Midnight Rambler, who were challenging with Veloce for the IRC lead not too long ago but have now disappeared down the standings. Wonder if they had some sail or gear failure.

Right now, the RP40 Chutzpah is leading Veloce by under an hour on corrected time, so this one looks like it will be a nail biter for sure. The skipper of Chutzpah has 31 Sydney Hobart races under his belt, and (so I learned this morning) sold his Hick 35 to the skipper who won the 1998 race.
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And as expected Wild Oats won by the 7th time the Sydney-Hobart, a record that would be very hard to mach in the future. In my opinion, not only luck with the light winds but a masterful routing regarding wind and conditions, far better than the one on Loyal. A well deserved victory.



As usual the coverage is miserable and there are now movies, at least yet, to show the arrival, that seems it was at speed.

Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.

Regarding the smaller boats that were doing well and that I mentioned on a previous post, the Rodgers 46 is 20th, the Elliot 44Cr 19th, the Ker 46 13th (great race and overtaking a lot of boats on the stronger conditions) the ker 40 31th, the Humphreis 42 26th, the DK 43 33th, the 4 First 45 are now in 39th, 42th, 44th and 60th, being all overtaken by the smaller First 40 Brannew (37th) that is making a great race but as all "heavy" boats is losing distance on these conditions that favors lighter downwind rockets.

On the downwind conditions with stronger winds many smaller light boats overtook the bigger heavier boats (the First 45 for example).

For instance, the Bakewell-White 39 is 40th, the MDB41 is 46th another First 40 is 47th a A40 is 48th, three sydney 38 are 54th, 58th and 65th, the Salona 44 is 60th, another First 40 is 62th.

If you think these are bad results for performance cruisers of this size, think again, most are ahead or in the middle of the brand new clipper 70 racing boats, that I have to say, for a brand new 70ft racing boat, are pretty slow

Edtt: Sorry Pelicano, some repetition here but I did not see your post before posting this one.
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As I expected the RM 890 was a success among cruisers showing that this is the type of boat that many want and that just some have the money to buy

On the Nautic de Paris they receive orders for 14 new boats, the best result of any RM on a single boat show.







If you want to try this one, two charting companies will have it for the summer (all on the France Atlantic Coast) and it seems that they have already almost all slots booked for the Summer. If you are interested better hurry. These are the two companies: Alternative Sailing (Trinité sur Mer) and at Bretagne Yachting (Lorient).

It seems that, contrary to most other brands, there is no crisis for RM. It is not only this one that is selling well: the new RM 1060 has sold in 3 years 50 boats and the even more recent RM 1260 (last year elected as European family cruiser) has sold 30 boats.

About 100 boats in 3 years for what used to be a very small shipyard shows that the Marc Lombard design and vision in what regards a voyage boat has a large acceptance among cruisers, as the material the boats are built (marine plywood and epoxy).

For the ones that don't have the money or want to build their own boat I remember that this concept was created by Marc Lombard even before RM started to produce his designs and that he was for sell inexpensive plans of boatsnot very different from these ones, boats that are suited for amateur boat building and that are not difficult to execute. Many have been built, some even on other continents, namely in America (Canada).

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Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.
Paulo - I think Chutzpah has more in common with the Ker 40 than with typical cruiser-racers. In other words, it's very similar to the RP 45 though perhaps more "optimized" for IRC, which means there's some kind of "accommodations" below deck. But the hull design is full-on racer.







And compare to the RP IRC 45s like Sjambok, Criminal Mischief and Aquila (below):







In other words, the RP 40 and Ker 40 are definitely race boats first, and "cruisers" a far second. My kind of boats.
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I cannot see well the differences on the hulls on those pictures but for what I can tell Chutzpah has a more forgiving hull for going downwind fast and that is essential on an offshore race with heavy seas: it increases your confidence in the boat and allows you to go faster. Aquila has a hull much more Ker style, one designed to take heel taking all advantage of a big B/D ratio and huge draft, but more tricky to sail downwind, not necessarily slower, even faster in perfect conditions.

You are right regarding Chutzpah since the boat has really a tiny cabin but it is not the hull that defines the difference between a very fast cruiser-racer like the Sydney 43GTS and a top offshore racer but the maximization of factors.

Factors like less weight that are obtained with an almost non existent interior and a bigger draft, space in the cockpit for racing maneuvers with the diminution of the cabin that also has importance in what regards minimum windage and in what regards maneuvers over the cabin.

But one thing is a very fast cruiser racer thought to be sailed with a crew and a good performance cruiser that can be raced but it is also easy to be sailed fast solo. That's here that the different hull designs that are used in racing can make a difference. Some, like the ones used by Ker or Mills, mostly for crewed racing don't give forgiving sailboats or boats easily exploited solo.

If you can remember it was the only objection that I had made to the new C&C Redline 41: Great as a cruiser-racer but that I doubt it had the characteristics to be very good performance cruiser, meaning that it would not be a boat easy to sail solo or with a reduced crew.

Is in this regard that the French designers normally do better, not meaning that the boats are faster but that are boats more polyvalent, being able to be fast with a crew, fast solo racing or easy enough to cruise with the family, even going fast. That is also to do with the market for whom they work, one where solo or short crew racing has not only a big importance but also a growing one.

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