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Malango 880

We have already talked about this boat, that is one of the nominated for this year's European boat of the year contest. It was tested recently by Yacht.de and they have posted some nice photos, so let's have a new and better look since this is all but an ordinary boat: A unique one I would say







Till now, just a nice boat with a swing keel but what makes the Malango series unique is this:





Yes this is a 29ft cruiser that carries its own dingy, not a big one but good enough for two. You know, if you like to sail fast and have a nice looking boat the worst thing you can do is to tow a dingy or have it over the deck, specially on a small boat so what choices do we have?:

To passing half the time filling up the dingy...or having a Malango and what is really extraordinary is that the boat still has two cabins, a head, a good storage space and a galley. Ok the galley does not have a freezer and that seems to have the only downside for a 29ft boat. I have saw a portable freezer under the table on some photos but that seems not o be a good idea. Maybe with some skill we could find one even if the only place seems to be on the head or adjacent to it.









The cockpit is big and offers a good support to everybody with a practical rigging even if a box could be provided to enclose the liferaft. It does not seem to me a good idea to use the liferaft as a support when the boat is heeled but it is just in the right position for it:







and the best thing is that this is a fast and enjoyable boat to sail, one of a kind
Did I said that the boat was unsinkable and certifiable as class A boat?

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http://www.idbmarine.com/fr/galerie_idbmarine.php




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Sydney- Hobart and gale winds

The wind that was absent two days ago arrived in full force now with some nasty results:

"Bill Wild’s Queensland Reichel/Pugh 55 Wedgetail was dismasted at about 0400 south of Tasman Island.... There have been strong gusts at Tasman through the night, eight knots gusting to more than 30 and building now to a steady 23 knots but gusting to 45.

James Cameron’s 35 foot NSW yacht Luna Sea from Drummoyne lost its rudder at about the same time 53 nautical miles east of Flinders.

The leading British Clipper 70 Henri Lloyd (Eric Holden) lost its rudder bearing east of Cape Barren Island at 2211 last night and has retired, heading for Hobart:...“This is due to a damaged rudder bearing which is allowing excessive movement of the rudder shaft. The skipper is making a seaman-like decision to retire and motor sail into the comparatively calmer waters off Flinders Island before altering course for Hobart"....

The Victorian yacht Rush is sailing to Coles Bay where an ambulance will be waiting for injured crew member Ben Renshaw, who broke a leg while the boat was sailing south of Freycinet Peninsula on the Tasmanian east coast....Rush has not retired from the race at this stage...

Meanwhile, Tony Kirby’s brand new Ker 46 Patrice and James Clayton’s Sigma 41 Black Adder are the latest yachts to retire from the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race as the fleet is buffeted by gale force conditions that have battered the fleet along the Tasmanian coast.

Patrice suffered minor hull damage east of Tasman Island around 7.40am this morning and is motoring back to Orford, which is a considerable distance north of Tasman....

... Black Adder, which was last on line and has headed to Eden with no reason given, become the eighth and ninth retirements from the original fleet of 94.
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Conditions at sea are still very difficult because of frequent gusts that are double the strength of an already fresh prevailing breeze. It is expected to abate during the day. "


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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I haven't heard of a Bordeaux 60, but just came across this one showing construction of one.


and another one showing more of it.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Have you seen the "Adventure 40" project on morganscloud.com?

I do not have enough posts to post links or images, but they have now found a designer for it, and the first sketch is out. You can see it on morganscloud.

Do you have anu toughts about this project?
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I haven't heard of a Bordeaux 60, but just came across this one showing construction of one.

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Yes I believe you are right. CNB is the top brand from the Benetau group and perhaps I don't find in them the flair of the Italian big yachts and it seems that the sailors that want practicality as main concern and have the money to buy them prefer Oysters. Fact is that in the luxury segment the choice is huge and CNB is just in the middle waters regarding design criteria.

But I do agree they are beautiful boats and that should be here, so thanks for posting.

Some two more: One of the more popular, the CNB 76 and one of the custom line, the CNB 100 that is in fact an one off. They have a line of production yachts, with a 60 and the 76 but also build custom boats and that is an important part of their work.

Both the production boats are designed by Philippe Briand (that designs also for instance the First 45 and 50) and show the elegance he puts in his designs. The Custom 100ft is a Luca Brenta design and I guess you can understand what I mean by flair

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The custom 100:




THE CNB SHIPYARD - CNB Yachts

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Have you seen the "Adventure 40" project on morganscloud.com?

I do not have enough posts to post links or images, but they have now found a designer for it, and the first sketch is out. You can see it on morganscloud.

Do you have any thoughts about this project?
A pretty banal boat, I don't understand why they need to find a designer for it. There are many similar inexpensive designs around that could be adapted for a much smaller cost.

More then 10 years ago when I knew a lot less about design I modified an existent design to suit what I then considered my needs, that were much similar in what regards the sailing program with the ones that boat is pointed too.

The designer of the boat I had modified accepted by a small amount of money to modify his old existent design (an inexpensive one) to suit my (more modern) criteria. I give up since having learned more about boat design, I understood I would be better served by a more modern design that served the same purposes.





I think they would be better served with a modern design from a specialist in aluminium like DicK Zall, for instance the "NORTHERN COMFORT" one of his best designs and one that fits that program. The design is so popular that goes already on its V version.

If they want a fixed keel (instead of a lifting one) that would not be a problem. Previous versions had a fixed keel and if they want it smaller that should not also be a problem because he has similar smaller designs.

The point is that for making a boat so "banal" it is not needed to pass years studding what should be the ideal voyage boat. There are many answers on the market in what regards available designs, some very similar and production boats that will be less expensive than have a custom boat built or an one off.

Take a look at the "NORTHERN COMFORT V" by Dick Zall (the designer of the older Contest):





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Sydney-Hobart

The conditions continue to be very bad for the boats still sailing and many of these are small boats that are among the slower:

"“Boat breaking”. That’s how Andrew Wenham, skipper of the VO70 Southern Excellence II described the seas off the Tasmanian coast when he arrived at Constitution Dock this afternoon.

“The sea is coming from everywhere; the north-west swell is joining up with the new south-west swell, so it’s very shallow, very choppy,’’ he said.

“Four and five meter seas, big waves, a lot of them breaking. I would be seriously worried about the smaller boats that are still at sea tonight and tomorrow.”

Wenham said that during the last hours of the race, Southern Excellence II was seeing consistent 30 knot winds, which is pretty much what they expected, but it was the gusts that made it tricky.

“We got up to 45 knots, possibly up to 50 if you watched it that closely,’’ he said.
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The good news for the boats still at sea is that Matthew Thomas from the Bureau of Meteorology does expect things to get a little bit better, but still from the south west.

“Over the next six to 12 hours there’ll be 15 to 25 knots,’’ he said early this afternoon.

“As the boats get closer down to Maria Island winds will increase again. Currently there are gale conditions down there, wind speeds of around 30 to 35 knots for the southeast and lower east of Tasmania.

“There’s winds of 25 to 30 knots in Storm Bay, but they’re easing back and conditions will improve later today.”


Seas, not the wind, the big problem for the boats still at sea - Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2013
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It seems that a Victoire, a Cookson 50 raced by Darryl Hodgkinson will won the race in compensated time.
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Ok, let's have some REALLY fast sailing here:

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Cookson 50

This is a production boat and it had to be a NZ boat you are going to understand why, but for now it is enough to know that she has just won the Sydney Hobart in compensated.

It is made in two versions: A racer and a cruiser racer being the major difference a existence of a higher cabin since being this a semi custom boat the interior comfort and quality is left much to the owner desires. Both have cantig keels.

Initially, back in 2004 the boat was a racer with a flat cabin but today almost all have the cruiser-racer configuration, at least in what regards the cabin.

The hull is remarkably modern for a 2004 design (the cabin design is more recent). A very nice boat:









Anyway even the cruiser-racer is (on all cases I know) used much more as a racer than a cruiser but I don't see why the boat cannot be used as a performance cruiser.

They say about the boat design and program:

Affordable, fun to sail and fast, led to a new generation of yacht, the Cookson 50. The boat of the future complete with ultra modern interior. Working closely with the Farr Design Office, Cookson Boats developed and launched the prototype in November 2004.

Conceptuals for the Cookson 50 developed from reducing Transpac 52 hull shape to 50 feet, maximizing beam, and increasing freeboard for full headroom to produce an interior suitable for family cruising.

Fully equipped with a canting keel and trim tab/canard to maintain stability and minimize crew numbers makes the Cookson 50 a winner all round for the serious club racer with a view to successfully competing in any grand prix event he chooses.

To date, the Cookson 50 has shown remarkable performances reaching and running. She has proven capable of holding her own on the wind against some serious competition. She is a true multipurpose yacht, big and powerful unencumbered by any rule but fits within the rules of most major grand prix events.


Cookson besides producing this "affordable" production canting keel cruiser racer is one of the best custom builders of high tech racing boats having built for instance: Loyal (ex -Rambler), the VOR 70 Camper and several Open 60's boats. The boats are made of carbon, very though and very light and the Cookson 50 is no exception.

Look at the Cookson 50 dimensions:

LOA -50ft,,,, LWL - 15.24 m,,,, LWL - 13.85 m,,,, Beam - 4.30m,,,,Draft - 3.0m,,,,Displacement - 7000 kgs

and look how she sails:



Yes, a NZ boat It has the spirit and the speed.
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Re: Cookson 50

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This is a production boat and it had to be a NZ boat you are going to understand why, but for now it is enough to know that she has just won the Sydney Hobart in compensated.

It is made in two versions: A racer and a cruiser racer being the major difference a existence of a higher cabin since being this a semi custom boat the interior comfort and quality is left much to the owner desires. Both have cantig keels.

Initially, back in 2004 the boat was a racer with a flat cabin but today almost all have the cruiser-racer configuration, at least in what regards the cabin.

The hull is remarkably modern for a 2004 design (the cabin design is more recent). A very nice boat:


Anyway even the cruiser-racer is (on all cases I know) used much more as a racer than a cruiser but I don't see why the boat cannot be used as a performance cruiser.

[snip, snip, snip]

and look how she sails:



Yes, a NZ boat It has the spirit and the speed.

Let me tell you that those boys are sailing that boat like a Melges 24 - everyone at the back of the cockpit (except pit person, who probably has the vang control in his hand) and going like they were on the reaching leg of an Olympic triangle course, not out in 30+ knots and 10 ft seas, doing some serious ocean racing.

That's what I like to see. Serious crews doing serious racing when others might be triple reefed with a #4 headsail up. And I'd wager that as soon as the angle was right they put up the A5.

The only thing I might add is the boat looks like it could use some water ballast in the stern or a fuller bow section (telephone call for Mr. Raison, s'il veut plait).

Loved this video. Made my day.
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