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Sydney-Hobart

And as expected Wild Oats won by the 7th time the Sydney-Hobart, a record that would be very hard to mach in the future. In my opinion, not only luck with the light winds but a masterful routing regarding wind and conditions, far better than the one on Loyal. A well deserved victory.



As usual the coverage is miserable and there are now movies, at least yet, to show the arrival, that seems it was at speed.

Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.

Regarding the smaller boats that were doing well and that I mentioned on a previous post, the Rodgers 46 is 20th, the Elliot 44Cr 19th, the Ker 46 13th (great race and overtaking a lot of boats on the stronger conditions) the ker 40 31th, the Humphreis 42 26th, the DK 43 33th, the 4 First 45 are now in 39th, 42th, 44th and 60th, being all overtaken by the smaller First 40 Brannew (37th) that is making a great race but as all "heavy" boats is losing distance on these conditions that favors lighter downwind rockets.

On the downwind conditions with stronger winds many smaller light boats overtook the bigger heavier boats (the First 45 for example).

For instance, the Bakewell-White 39 is 40th, the MDB41 is 46th another First 40 is 47th a A40 is 48th, three sydney 38 are 54th, 58th and 65th, the Salona 44 is 60th, another First 40 is 62th.

If you think these are bad results for performance cruisers of this size, think again, most are ahead or in the middle of the brand new clipper 70 racing boats, that I have to say, for a brand new 70ft racing boat, are pretty slow

Edtt: Sorry Pelicano, some repetition here but I did not see your post before posting this one.
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Rm 890

As I expected the RM 890 was a success among cruisers showing that this is the type of boat that many want and that just some have the money to buy

On the Nautic de Paris they receive orders for 14 new boats, the best result of any RM on a single boat show.







If you want to try this one, two charting companies will have it for the summer (all on the France Atlantic Coast) and it seems that they have already almost all slots booked for the Summer. If you are interested better hurry. These are the two companies: Alternative Sailing (Trinité sur Mer) and at Bretagne Yachting (Lorient).

It seems that, contrary to most other brands, there is no crisis for RM. It is not only this one that is selling well: the new RM 1060 has sold in 3 years 50 boats and the even more recent RM 1260 (last year elected as European family cruiser) has sold 30 boats.

About 100 boats in 3 years for what used to be a very small shipyard shows that the Marc Lombard design and vision in what regards a voyage boat has a large acceptance among cruisers, as the material the boats are built (marine plywood and epoxy).

For the ones that don't have the money or want to build their own boat I remember that this concept was created by Marc Lombard even before RM started to produce his designs and that he was for sell inexpensive plans of boatsnot very different from these ones, boats that are suited for amateur boat building and that are not difficult to execute. Many have been built, some even on other continents, namely in America (Canada).

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Re: Sydney-Hobart

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Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.
Paulo - I think Chutzpah has more in common with the Ker 40 than with typical cruiser-racers. In other words, it's very similar to the RP 45 though perhaps more "optimized" for IRC, which means there's some kind of "accommodations" below deck. But the hull design is full-on racer.







And compare to the RP IRC 45s like Sjambok, Criminal Mischief and Aquila (below):







In other words, the RP 40 and Ker 40 are definitely race boats first, and "cruisers" a far second. My kind of boats.
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Cruising or racing

I cannot see well the differences on the hulls on those pictures but for what I can tell Chutzpah has a more forgiving hull for going downwind fast and that is essential on an offshore race with heavy seas: it increases your confidence in the boat and allows you to go faster. Aquila has a hull much more Ker style, one designed to take heel taking all advantage of a big B/D ratio and huge draft, but more tricky to sail downwind, not necessarily slower, even faster in perfect conditions.

You are right regarding Chutzpah since the boat has really a tiny cabin but it is not the hull that defines the difference between a very fast cruiser-racer like the Sydney 43GTS and a top offshore racer but the maximization of factors.

Factors like less weight that are obtained with an almost non existent interior and a bigger draft, space in the cockpit for racing maneuvers with the diminution of the cabin that also has importance in what regards minimum windage and in what regards maneuvers over the cabin.

But one thing is a very fast cruiser racer thought to be sailed with a crew and a good performance cruiser that can be raced but it is also easy to be sailed fast solo. That's here that the different hull designs that are used in racing can make a difference. Some, like the ones used by Ker or Mills, mostly for crewed racing don't give forgiving sailboats or boats easily exploited solo.

If you can remember it was the only objection that I had made to the new C&C Redline 41: Great as a cruiser-racer but that I doubt it had the characteristics to be very good performance cruiser, meaning that it would not be a boat easy to sail solo or with a reduced crew.

Is in this regard that the French designers normally do better, not meaning that the boats are faster but that are boats more polyvalent, being able to be fast with a crew, fast solo racing or easy enough to cruise with the family, even going fast. That is also to do with the market for whom they work, one where solo or short crew racing has not only a big importance but also a growing one.

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Malango 880

We have already talked about this boat, that is one of the nominated for this year's European boat of the year contest. It was tested recently by Yacht.de and they have posted some nice photos, so let's have a new and better look since this is all but an ordinary boat: A unique one I would say







Till now, just a nice boat with a swing keel but what makes the Malango series unique is this:





Yes this is a 29ft cruiser that carries its own dingy, not a big one but good enough for two. You know, if you like to sail fast and have a nice looking boat the worst thing you can do is to tow a dingy or have it over the deck, specially on a small boat so what choices do we have?:

To passing half the time filling up the dingy...or having a Malango and what is really extraordinary is that the boat still has two cabins, a head, a good storage space and a galley. Ok the galley does not have a freezer and that seems to have the only downside for a 29ft boat. I have saw a portable freezer under the table on some photos but that seems not o be a good idea. Maybe with some skill we could find one even if the only place seems to be on the head or adjacent to it.









The cockpit is big and offers a good support to everybody with a practical rigging even if a box could be provided to enclose the liferaft. It does not seem to me a good idea to use the liferaft as a support when the boat is heeled but it is just in the right position for it:







and the best thing is that this is a fast and enjoyable boat to sail, one of a kind
Did I said that the boat was unsinkable and certifiable as class A boat?

some great photos:

http://www.idbmarine.com/fr/galerie_idbmarine.php




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Sydney- Hobart and gale winds

The wind that was absent two days ago arrived in full force now with some nasty results:

"Bill Wild’s Queensland Reichel/Pugh 55 Wedgetail was dismasted at about 0400 south of Tasman Island.... There have been strong gusts at Tasman through the night, eight knots gusting to more than 30 and building now to a steady 23 knots but gusting to 45.

James Cameron’s 35 foot NSW yacht Luna Sea from Drummoyne lost its rudder at about the same time 53 nautical miles east of Flinders.

The leading British Clipper 70 Henri Lloyd (Eric Holden) lost its rudder bearing east of Cape Barren Island at 2211 last night and has retired, heading for Hobart:...“This is due to a damaged rudder bearing which is allowing excessive movement of the rudder shaft. The skipper is making a seaman-like decision to retire and motor sail into the comparatively calmer waters off Flinders Island before altering course for Hobart"....

The Victorian yacht Rush is sailing to Coles Bay where an ambulance will be waiting for injured crew member Ben Renshaw, who broke a leg while the boat was sailing south of Freycinet Peninsula on the Tasmanian east coast....Rush has not retired from the race at this stage...

Meanwhile, Tony Kirby’s brand new Ker 46 Patrice and James Clayton’s Sigma 41 Black Adder are the latest yachts to retire from the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race as the fleet is buffeted by gale force conditions that have battered the fleet along the Tasmanian coast.

Patrice suffered minor hull damage east of Tasman Island around 7.40am this morning and is motoring back to Orford, which is a considerable distance north of Tasman....

... Black Adder, which was last on line and has headed to Eden with no reason given, become the eighth and ninth retirements from the original fleet of 94.
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Conditions at sea are still very difficult because of frequent gusts that are double the strength of an already fresh prevailing breeze. It is expected to abate during the day. "


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I haven't heard of a Bordeaux 60, but just came across this one showing construction of one.


and another one showing more of it.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Have you seen the "Adventure 40" project on morganscloud.com?

I do not have enough posts to post links or images, but they have now found a designer for it, and the first sketch is out. You can see it on morganscloud.

Do you have anu toughts about this project?
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I haven't heard of a Bordeaux 60, but just came across this one showing construction of one.

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Yes I believe you are right. CNB is the top brand from the Benetau group and perhaps I don't find in them the flair of the Italian big yachts and it seems that the sailors that want practicality as main concern and have the money to buy them prefer Oysters. Fact is that in the luxury segment the choice is huge and CNB is just in the middle waters regarding design criteria.

But I do agree they are beautiful boats and that should be here, so thanks for posting.

Some two more: One of the more popular, the CNB 76 and one of the custom line, the CNB 100 that is in fact an one off. They have a line of production yachts, with a 60 and the 76 but also build custom boats and that is an important part of their work.

Both the production boats are designed by Philippe Briand (that designs also for instance the First 45 and 50) and show the elegance he puts in his designs. The Custom 100ft is a Luca Brenta design and I guess you can understand what I mean by flair

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The custom 100:




THE CNB SHIPYARD - CNB Yachts

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Have you seen the "Adventure 40" project on morganscloud.com?

I do not have enough posts to post links or images, but they have now found a designer for it, and the first sketch is out. You can see it on morganscloud.

Do you have any thoughts about this project?
A pretty banal boat, I don't understand why they need to find a designer for it. There are many similar inexpensive designs around that could be adapted for a much smaller cost.

More then 10 years ago when I knew a lot less about design I modified an existent design to suit what I then considered my needs, that were much similar in what regards the sailing program with the ones that boat is pointed too.

The designer of the boat I had modified accepted by a small amount of money to modify his old existent design (an inexpensive one) to suit my (more modern) criteria. I give up since having learned more about boat design, I understood I would be better served by a more modern design that served the same purposes.





I think they would be better served with a modern design from a specialist in aluminium like DicK Zall, for instance the "NORTHERN COMFORT" one of his best designs and one that fits that program. The design is so popular that goes already on its V version.

If they want a fixed keel (instead of a lifting one) that would not be a problem. Previous versions had a fixed keel and if they want it smaller that should not also be a problem because he has similar smaller designs.

The point is that for making a boat so "banal" it is not needed to pass years studding what should be the ideal voyage boat. There are many answers on the market in what regards available designs, some very similar and production boats that will be less expensive than have a custom boat built or an one off.

Take a look at the "NORTHERN COMFORT V" by Dick Zall (the designer of the older Contest):





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