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Happy New Year (though we've got another 15 1/2 hours to go!)
Man, you are slow!!! Andrews have already arrived at the new year 4 hours ago I will take more 5 hours but you call yourself Faster and take almost more a day than Andrews???

A beautiful picture that will make us all dream with sailing on summer days in this last day of the year:



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Something beautiful to start well the year

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Finally: a great movie about this year's Sydney Hobart

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Re: Finally: a great movie about this year's Sydney Hobart

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The first few minutes are the best and provide excellent examples of outstanding heavy weather boat handling. In most of those clips the drivers are generally doing a great job of guiding their boats through the conflicted seas, without pounding into the waves. From experience that is really exhausting work, which means you've got to have several people aboard capable of driving in those conditions, if you want to keep the boat in one piece and the crew from getting tossed about.

Still, you wonder how much footage was left on the cutting room floor for this 6 minute piece, most of which is talking head comments and start/finish coverage. Really want to see a couple hours of action footage from offshore, which presumably was do-able via on-board boat cameras and aerial cameras. Compare this with the 2012 Middle Sea Race footage that Paulo posted earlier, which is outstanding (not to mention that lengthy video of the Cookson 50 blasting along in what looked like Force 7-8 conditions - that one was 10+ minutes long and riveting). It's not like Rolex doesn't have the money for better coverage.

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Re: Vendee Globe: Sailor's evolution

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Maybe you are right but I am talking about the way sailors behave. Ellem Mac Arthur is a strange case, a great sailor and a natural talent, no doubt, but that abandoned racing sailing where she was on her prime. Unheard in what regards professional sailors but an attitude we saw among adventurer sailors, like Lamazou, the first winner of the Vendee Globe, also a great sailor.

I am talking about the attitude: we saw all of them on that old movie mumbling around, some crying (including Ellen), all except Desjoieaux that seems completely focused on winning.

If you look at this year's movies you see that kind of attitude regarding some sailors but the top ones have a similar stance to the one that Desjoieaux had already 15 years ago, a professional racing one focused on max performance and victory.

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Paulo - You must have missed the part where Desjoyeaux explains how he is unable to start his generator due to insufficient battery strength, then breaks into tears. "Poutain!" is the last thing he says. Then the next scene we see the ingenious system which he jury-rigged to jump start the generator using the force of the boom during a gybe (tripped remotely via webbing attached to a rope clutch holding the mainsheet).

I think one difference between competitors in the VG which may account for the difference in styles you're referring to is that a number of the top sailors are also engineers, naval architects or grew up in the sailing world (as did Desjoyeaux himself, with close friends Jean le Cam and Roland Jourdain). In other words, they are not generally "outsiders" who come to the VG as an adventure - e.g., Pete Goss.

Even Ellen McArthur came to the VG via the Mini Transat and paid her dues for several years, living in France, learning fluent French, etc. And though her longterm interests have not been in ocean racing, her level of organization and professionalism are probably second to nobody. Have to agree with an earlier poster who pointed out that McArthur arguably sailed the best race in 2000/2001 and would probably have beaten Desjoyeaux if she hadn't struck the container (not to take away anything from Mich's well-deserved victory).

If you fast forward to the 2011/2012 VG, it was really LeCleac'h who came across as the "emotionless robot" not Gabart, who looks really shaken in a number of the video feeds from the Southern Ocean, and is clearly moved very deeply by his reception in La Sable at the finish. And yet, the two men had nearly identical campaigns, identical boats, trained together for two years (under Desjoyeaux, no less), and raced neck-and-neck around the world. Both are professional sailors, though I would say Armel has paid more dues so far in his career.

Anyway, I bet we can all agree that anyone who can race an IMOCA 60 around the world, non-stop, singlehanded, is worthy of our respect and admiration. I know I am deeply moved by all of them and their love for the sea.
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Ker 50 C/R

Prefered boat on the Sydney Hobart: Look at min 1.05

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Amazing performance for a boat with this program:

Jason Ker: "A 50' yacht designed to very specific requirements with a very complete bespoke interior, the brief was for a yacht that would undertake a combination of Cruising the Queensland coast in between bouts of competitive racing, and lift its keel above a sandbar in front of its home port. The design incorporates an innovative lifting keel system that preserves interior space while being much lighter typical systems. "

The boat has a lifting Keel (2.2 to 3 m) it is not a Carbon boat (eglass), it is made in China by McConaghy and probably will have an attractive price.

The beautiful boat, "Kerumba", finished 19 in real time and the three boats immediately behind (real time) were an Open 50, a TP 52 and a VOR60

"The crew changed With the majority of the crew stepping up from a Beneteau 44.7, the performance jump is being met with exhilaration in what has been described as a ‘Beneteau on steroids’."

As I have said, it is a beautiful performance cruiser....and an incredible fast one too:

















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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Found this sketch on wild oats...
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Found this sketch on wild oats...
I'd actually be quite interested to hear Mark Richards discuss whether or not DSS contributed anything to their success this year. It was a rather bold move to add that technology and I'm sure a lot of people are equally curious about its efficacy. From what I've read and seen, the DSS technology should be quite effective on a boat as big as Wild Oats XI, particulary given its comparative "narrow" beam (relative to, say, Perpetual Loyal, the VO70's and Beau Geste). Will be keeping my eyes open for any reports (no doubt on the DSS web site).

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Wild Oats and DSS

Yes, people keep laughing about that Swiss army knife stuff ...and they keep winning races

Talking about the newest addition on that knife, the DSS system, it is the first time that the system had helped to won a race.



Of course he may had have a small role and none in what regards the conditions that allow Wild Oats to win (very light winds) but certainly took a big role on the end of the race, with strong winds keeping the speed of the boat close to the one of Loyal, whose hull design is much better suited for stronger winds, preventing any significant recovery.

That system, that is basically a small airplane wing that can be deployed on one side or another of the hull (the one that is heeled) works like the one in the airplane creating lift: On an airplane can take it airborne, on a boat opposes heel creating RM. Contrary to a keel that provides more lift at bigger heel angles, system generated RM has nothing to do with heel but only with speed (like an airplane wing): More speed, more lift.

And what kind of lift are we talking about? Well, at speed it can produce eight to ten tonnes of vertical lift.

That is huge and the advantages over the drag produced seem to be conclusive, helping a narrow and less powerful boat like Wild Oats to diminish their disadvantage over a much more powerful boat like Loyal (bigger beam) on the conditions were that extra power can be a decisive advantage.

Wild Oats went at some time of this race at 35K and the boat skipper could not be more convinced:

" “The trial results were quite remarkable. There was an impressive increase in speed,” said Wild Oats XI skipper Mark Richards prior to the Boxing Day start. Following the race he enthused how they hit 35 knots boat speed at one stage. “The new foils were phenomenal,' he said. “They gave us a lot more control in the extreme conditions, and the hard running we did today.”

Chris Links, one of Wild Oats XI’s helmsmen, said of the DSS foil before the race: “It gives us some more stability in those tighter angles and in the heavy downwind it lifts the bow 300mm. In those steep little seas it helps get us on to the waves and surf for longer. We have seen it really work a couple of times, which has really blown us away when it clicks in.”

Arriving in Hobart, Wild Oats XI's wizened tactician Iain Murray attributed a 5% gain in Wild Oats XI’s speed to the DSS foil, which had been put to good work as the wind built to more than 30 knots coming down the east coast of Tasmania and continued to build as they hardened up to cross the aptly named Storm Bay."


I have said here before that from all innovations that have appeared recently in what regards sailing the DSS seemed to me the more promising. I have a big respect for its creator Hugh Welbourn and I believe that from now one we will see a lot of big yachts using this system that, according with its creator, on a boat created from the beginning to use it, it will be much more effective.

Maybe after all the Hugh Welbourn designed Infiniti 100R will see the light of day. I sure would like that:

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Yes, people keep laughing about that Swiss army knife stuff ...and they keep winning races

Talking about the newest addition on that knife, the DSS system, it is the first time that the system had helped to won a race.



Of course he may had have a small role and none in what regards the conditions that allow Wild Oats to win (very light winds) but certainly took a big role on the end of the race, with strong winds keeping the speed of the boat close to the one of Loyal, whose hull design is much better suited for stronger winds, preventing any significant recovery.

That system, that is basically a small airplane wing that can be deployed on one side or another of the hull (the one that is heeled) works like the one in the airplane creating lift: On an airplane can take it airborne, on a boat opposes heel creating RM. Contrary to a keel that provides more lift at bigger heel angles, system generated RM has nothing to do with heel but only with speed (like an airplane wing): More speed, more lift.

And what kind of lift are we talking about? Well, at speed it can produce eight to ten tonnes of vertical lift.

That is huge and the advantages over the drag produced seem to be conclusive, helping a narrow and less powerful boat like Wild Oats to diminish their disadvantage over a much more powerful boat like Loyal (bigger beam) on the conditions were that extra power can be a decisive advantage.

Wild Oats went at some time of this race at 35K and the boat skipper could not be more convinced:

" “The trial results were quite remarkable. There was an impressive increase in speed,” said Wild Oats XI skipper Mark Richards prior to the Boxing Day start. Following the race he enthused how they hit 35 knots boat speed at one stage. “The new foils were phenomenal,' he said. “They gave us a lot more control in the extreme conditions, and the hard running we did today.”

Chris Links, one of Wild Oats XI’s helmsmen, said of the DSS foil before the race: “It gives us some more stability in those tighter angles and in the heavy downwind it lifts the bow 300mm. In those steep little seas it helps get us on to the waves and surf for longer. We have seen it really work a couple of times, which has really blown us away when it clicks in.”

Arriving in Hobart, Wild Oats XI's wizened tactician Iain Murray attributed a 5% gain in Wild Oats XI’s speed to the DSS foil, which had been put to good work as the wind built to more than 30 knots coming down the east coast of Tasmania and continued to build as they hardened up to cross the aptly named Storm Bay."


I have said here before that from all innovations that have appeared recently in what regards sailing the DSS seemed to me the more promising. I have a big respect for its creator Hugh Welbourn and I believe that from now one we will see a lot of big yachts using this system that, according with its creator, on a boat created from the beginning to use it, it will be much more effective.

Maybe after all the Hugh Welbourn designed Infiniti 100R will see the light of day. I sure would like that:

Excellent! Really glad you found and posted this. Bet they're not going to share any of the actual data with the reading public though.

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