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Well, the new 1200 is light with 6.9T has a big B/D ratio and has a rigging very adapted to solo sailing (that's the part I like most) but the boat is a bit of a deception regarding the drawings I saw of the 11m. The designer is the same, the one that designs Maxi yachts for many years, Pelle Petterson, but the brief is different being the boat more performance cruising oriented and the hull is also different being this one a more classic one, less adapted to short crew sailing or racing.

But that is not what pisses me, what I don't like is the overall look, kind of a XP with Delphia looks with a interior without imagination, insisting on a 3 cabin version and central head and traditional chart table that results in a smallish saloon.

A boat with a big sailing potential that I don't like much that dificult to happen. Maybe because I liked a lot more the previous 11m design that Robelz had mentioned:

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Totally agree. The second boat would be the one I'd choose without hesitation. But apparently the marketing department didn't think they could sell enough of those to make it worthwhile, so they opted for the "safe" choice - build another performance cruiser that's pretty much like everyone else's performance cruiser, except for the interior choices - 3 cabins, central heads, trade-off between decent offshore galley vs. chart table, etc. Maybe the charter market somewhere will appreciate this, but not me.

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No, this is not a charter boat in fact it is a very fast performance cruiser (probably a expensive one, if he took Maxi prices as reference) with some oddities in what regards design and one of the more strange, for a performance boat that will certainly be also used for racing, is the absence of traveller

This boat will be a very fast one, a competitor with Xp yachts, Dehler, Salona, First, Arcona, Comet and Grand Soleil... and does not have a traveller?

I cannot see also a backstay adjuster but that can be skipped on the design at this phase, but not the traveler. Besides not having a traveler, the position of the winch regarding the main seems only work like that, I mean the line coming from the top of the cockpit table???? That means that table is not removable!!!!.....and that is just odd in what regards racing and even in what regards the use of the cockpit in a social way is just bad design comparing with all the others that have cockpit tables that "disappear" under the cockpit floor.

They have just been rescued from bankruptcy by Dehpia but I don't believe they will go far this way.


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Grand Soleil afloat again

By the way, other brand that was saved from bankrupt was Grand Soleil, this time by Bavaria...but Bavaria had given up and leave them again on bankruptcy. I have commented that in the summer with an Italian friend that is in the boat business. He smiled and said that Germans would be never able to work with Italians

Well, this time it was an Italian that saved Grand Soleil, Davide Trevisani. We also owns Sly yachts. We will see if an Italian will succeed in putting Grand Soleil under the sun again.


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By the way, other brand that was saved from bankrupt was Grand Soleil, this time by Bavaria...but Bavaria had given up and leave them again on bankruptcy. I have commented that in the summer with an Italian friend that is in the boat business. He smiled and said that Germans would be never able to work with Italians

Well, this time it was an Italian that saved Grand Soleil, Davide Trevisani. We also owns Sly yachts. We will see if an Italian will succeed in putting Grand Soleil under the sun again.
Yes, quite a pity about the fate of Grand Soleil, which built some beautiful boats that were quite competitive under IMS. Not sure how they fared under IRC, however. Always thought they looked expensive but were surprisingly affordable, for what you got. And perhaps that's why they couldn't stay in business.

Sly builds some very cool boats that are all but unknown in North America. I remember a few years ago they got some attention in Sailing Anarchy but pretty much ignored in the sailing press over here. Not surprisingly.

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For the night, two great movies: solo racing transat movies

2013, not winners, two different races, two different boats (Mini racer and Figaro class), two different stories: Hardy made 6th, Lipinski was rescued by a cargo ship.


Mini transat : l'incroyable aventure de Ian... por voilesetvoiliers


CAMERA EMBARQUEE A BORD D'AGIR RECOUVREMENT... por Adrien-HARDY


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I like the scarecrow, in this case scareseagull. A bit too ugly, but I bet, very effective.


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2013, not winners, two different races, two different boats (Mini racer and Figaro class), two different stories: Hardy made 6th, Lipinski was rescued by a cargo ship.
If I understood the narrator correctly, it was Hardy who organized the recovery of Lipinski's boat and towed it to Cascais. That's really outstanding and says everything one needs to say about the quality of the singlehanded sailing community. Rescue was well-executed by the Polish bulk carrier as well, though pity Lipinski had to stay aboard all the way to Sfaz, Tunisia.

Sad he couldn't complete the MT but terrific he got his boat back.

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Totally agree. The second boat would be the one I'd choose without hesitation. But apparently the marketing department didn't think they could sell enough of those to make it worthwhile, so they opted for the "safe" choice - build another performance cruiser that's pretty much like everyone else's performance cruiser, except for the interior choices - 3 cabins, central heads, trade-off between decent offshore galley vs. chart table, etc. Maybe the charter market somewhere will appreciate this, but not me.
That is the point: The eleven was unique and completely amazing, the 1200 is just another performance cruiser...
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No, this is not a charter boat in fact it is a very fast performance cruiser (probably a expensive one, if he took Maxi prices as reference) with some oddities in what regards design and one of the more strange, for a performance boat that will certainly be also used for racing, is the absence of traveller

This boat will be a very fast one, a competitor with Xp yachts, Dehler, Salona, First, Arcona, Comet and Grand Soleil... and does not have a traveller?

I cannot see also a backstay adjuster but that can be skipped on the design at this phase, but not the traveler. Besides not having a traveler, the position of the winch regarding the main seems only work like that, I mean the line coming from the top of the cockpit table???? That means that table is not removable!!!!.....and that is just odd in what regards racing and even in what regards the use of the cockpit in a social way is just bad design comparing with all the others that have cockpit tables that "disappear" under the cockpit floor.

They have just been rescued from bankruptcy by Dehpia but I don't believe they will go far this way.
I cannot imagine that Delphia/Maxi will not offer an option with a traveller. I read somewhere that the Maxi prices built by Delphia are about 20-25% less than the Najad/Maxi's...
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I cannot imagine that Delphia/Maxi will not offer an option with a traveller. I read somewhere that the Maxi prices built by Delphia are about 20-25% less than the Najad/Maxi's...
I guess so but what troubles me is how that is going to work with a central winch on that position, It could not be direct so I would have to be a German sheeting system and if so it would imply horizontal lines crossing the cockpit creating an obstacle to a racing crew.

Unless they modify a lot a boat in what regards rigging, including the number and position of winches I cannot see how it will be done and modifying the position on winches is a lot more complicated than adding a traveler.

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