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Rescues

Two of the boats rescued and towed by SA rescue services. The main problem with both sailboats seem to be engines out of order.





An interview with the crew of the Didi 38. The boat seems very nice and tide, considering it was rolled.

from Steve Searle on Vimeo.



They also rescued another boat that was not making this race, Ideafix 2. The boat was abandoned by the two French that crewed it but I don't know what type of yacht or the nature of the problem.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afri...7#.Us133NJdV8E


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Re: Interesting Sailboats

there has been an explicit warning issued to avoid the SW quadrant of that storm...
well in this quadrant the wind works hard against the bengueala current and i am quite certain that that is a an almost 100% guarantee for big breaking waves...
but i sure cannot say where it happened and which direction the waves or them were going...
there is a good image on the race homepage showing the weathersystem:

and he stated also that they had SW winds which would fit to the picture so the wave should have run the same way and that is against the current there...
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That had happened only two days after race start and was pretty much predictable and raises the question about why the race direction did not postponed the race. Pretty much unbelievable if we take into consideration that this is an amateur race with many old or small boats racing and not professional crews.

Recently a highly professional transat with much bigger and seaworthy boats with professional crews was postponed for several days till the race direction considered that conditions were safe to all.

Regarding the race nothing new, Maserati on the lead and the old Open 60 catching Scarlet Runner, that TP52 with a cruising interior. That M34 continues to make an absolutely incredible race and looks to me to be ahead of the Class 40, just behind the three big boats.

Those guys are crazy to be doing this on that type of boat but fact is that they passed by a big storm without problems and keep pushing. I have to post a picture of the boat for you all understand why I say it looks madness to me:





Yes, this is the boat, a regatta boat. They have made the Tour de France and finished on the last places. No they are not bad sailors, the Tour de France has just incredibly good professional sailors. They are very good, as we can see by their fantastic performance on this race, even if a crazy one.


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Re: Transaquadra: Twenty years of racing (amateur transat)

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20 ans, le bel âge de la Transquadra! por overlapprod


News about the Transquadra: the racing solo or duo Transat for amateurs with more than 40 years of age.

More than 80 boats are already in and the number is growing rapidly.

They have made the type of boats more uniform in what regards performance and they will have for the first time an overall classification in real time.

The handicaps allowed were shortened and now they are between 0.949 < TCC-IRC < 1,051 (previously the max allowed was 1,074). That means that boats that were preciously allowed like the J122, Opium 39, Pogo 10.50 are not allowed anymore.

Besides that the boats have to be class A, a hull length between 8,50 m and 12.50 m, having a fixed engine able to push them at 5K and be in accordance with Special Offshore l’ISAF, cat. 1.

Some of the boats that will be competing: Sun Fast 3200 (several), Sunfast 3600, A 35 (several), JPK 10.10 (several), J109, Pogo 30, Elan 350 (several), JPK 9.60 (several), Grand Soleil 37, A31 (several), First 30, Mat 10.10, Dehler 36, Mistral 9.50, Malango 8.88, Sormiou 29 (several), RM 10.60, Bongo 9.60, First 40.7, Azzure 40, Fabulo 36

Only one SF 3600 and none JPK 10.80. Maybe they will appear later. Anyway, lots of interesting boats

http://www.transquadra.com/documenta...i%202012.1.pdf

Transquadra 2014-2015 | Transat solitaire et double r?serv?e aux amateurs.
There is one SF3600 and not a single 10.80 built up to now: How could they register without (really) knowing wether they will have a boat or not?

I did not know the Opium is rated so high...
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Neo Yachts postet videos of the Neo400 sailing but unfortunately I can only find them on Facebook. I really love the Neo!
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Neo 400

Me too. Did not know that this Carbon beauty was already on the water:

















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The boat is going to be actively raced this year and we will be able to see how good it is, but being a Cecarelli design I have few doubts it will be very fast.


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Jörg Riechers finally on Open60 (IMOCA).

After his success on the Mini class and 40class the German sailor reached finally the top solo sailing class and Mare is also an Open60, unfortunately not a new one, a 2th generation one that it will be a 3th generation when the next Vendee starts (and that will limit his performance).

The boat is the old 2008 Foncia (Vendee Globe winner) that then changed the name for Mapfre ( Iker Martinez and Xabi Fernandez raced it in the last Barcelona World Race) and recently, on the last races was known as Maître Coq sailed by Jeremie Beyou.

He will race with Sébastien Audigane the 2014-5 Barcelona World Race and will do the next vendee globe.

A movie with the "new" boat:

http://tv.yacht.de/video/%2526quot%2...1c5fb1f4470d51
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There is one SF3600 and not a single 10.80 built up to now: How could they register without (really) knowing wether they will have a boat or not?

I did not know the Opium is rated so high...
Yes, they will have a boat and the race will only start in 200 days. I believe that a conditional entry can be made (since they don't now yet the TCC rating of the boat).

From some time now that I wanted to make a post about ratings and boat speed. The images of small boats like the JPK 10.10, Pogo 30 or SF 3200 planning fast downwind give the impression that those boats are faster than bigger performance boats, heavier boats that don't plane so easily and even if that can be true under a very small set of conditions is not true in what regards the overall picture and sail conditions.

Sure, they can have an advantage on a transat with strong trade winds because that's where some of those conditions are more frequent but on a regatta course or in coastal or offshore races with mixed winds the difference in speed is true regarding their rating.

We have seen that the boats I have mentioned on a previous post and that race the transquadra have a IRC TCC rating between 0.949 and 1,051 being the ones with higher rating the new SF 3600 and the new JPK 10.80. The Pogo 10.50 and the Opium 39 would be inside the old max TCC allowed of 1.074 but are now out.

Just to give an idea how size matters I will post some TCC-IRC of several fast 40ft performance cruisers and of some well known racers the size of the SF 3600, the Figaro II, and class 40 just to put things in perspective. Several numbers means that I have found different values regarding different boats.

X40: 1.069... Elan 410: 1.067/1.064/1071.... Grand Soleil 40: 1.063.....J122: 1091/1086/1.084.....XP 38: 1.081/1.086...

Comet 41s: 1.084...... First 40 :1088/1.085/1084.... A40 – 1091/1087/1086..... X41: 1.097.... Ker 39: 1.123/1.136/1.235/1.115...

.MAT12: 1.132 ....Mills 39: 1.100....Pogo 12.50: 1.176 ...King 40 1.120/1.194 ....MC33 patton 1.053...

Class 40: 1.176/1.188/ 1280..... Figaro II: 1.085/1.094/1.080/1.081

Of course, one thing is the rating other the ability of a boat to be sailed to it and in what regards boats like a class 40 or a Pogo 12.50 they will only be able to do it in a race mostly downwind (what explains the normally bad results of these fast boats in IRC racing where mixed conditions are the norm).

Regarding performance cruising it makes sense to have a bigger boat that allows an overall better speed and more interior space, regarding racing and specially in what regards short handed racing or solo it makes sense a smaller boat because you need a crew to exploit a bigger one, with the exception of boats like the Pogo or Opium that can be sailed with a small crew or solo.

Regarding compensated racing with a crew that is a completely different ball game and here size does not count and it makes sense to have a smaller less expensive boat that needs less crew and can have results as good as a bigger one and win races. That's where the A31, A35 and JPK 10.10 are winners, double winners since they are also good boats for solo or short crew sailing as their results on the transaquadra and on the last Fastnet show.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eu2CQ7pyUM

Hi all,

Have not posted for long time, however have been following the thread. Browsing the web I found out the Infiniti yacht brand (thought it was brand bane only for fast luxurious cars). Though not cars, they have patented the DSS (Dynamic Stability System) representing use of additional foils. They seem to be interesting though on the hi-end.

I thought Paulo and all others would find such boats intriguing. I did not find, however, their basic parameters although they seem to be very light and able to carry a lot of sail (like the multihulls).

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Re: Jörg Riechers finally on Open60 (IMOCA).

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After his success on the Mini class and 40class the German sailor reached finally the top solo sailing class and Mare is also an Open60, unfortunately not a new one, a 2th generation one that it will be a 3th generation when the next Vendee starts (and that will limit his performance).

The boat is the old 2008 Foncia (Vendee Globe winner) that then changed the name for Mapfre ( Iker Martinez and Xabi Fernandez raced it in the last Barcelona World Race) and recently, on the last races was known as Maître Coq sailed by Jeremie Beyou.

He will race with Sébastien Audigane the 2014-5 Barcelona World Race and will do the next vendee globe.

A movie with the "new" boat:

"Mare", der erste deutsche Open 60 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin
I'd rather like to see Boris Hermann instead of Jörg Riechers in an Open60...

The video seems to be pretty old. The boat is modified yet...

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