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I still like to compare polars and just got data for the RM1200. So here our numbers again...

Over all not faster than an Elan 350. Do we have data from the Ovni?



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Sorry Ulf, I cannot have a polar speed (or a stability curve) of the OVNI 395. I have asked the manufacturer and the answer was: " I am sorry to inform that I do not have neither the polar speed curves nor the stab curves at my disposal but I assume that the designer would have them. He never remitted them to us."

I find that very odd, who is the boat builder that would not want to know the performance of a boat that a designer had made for him? About the stability curve is even worse. They have answered to the PBO magazine (that always prints the stability curves when they made the boat tests) that they don't provide stability curves for publication but that they can be seen at the yard by prospective purchasers.???? They have announced to PBO an AVS of 115º.

About speed and wind angle I had a look at three different boat magazines.

The French magazine Bateau (the French are not great in precision):

At 45º with -10??K wind = 5K

At 45º with +10??k wind = 6K

At 90º with 12K wind = 6,8

The French magazine Voiles:

With a favorable tide??? over the ground:

At 50º with -20??K wind = 7K
At 20K wind the boat could do 45º to the wind and maintained 7K.

The English magazine PBO:

"While she might need patient or help of the engine until the breeze picks up, the 395 is no slouch when it does."

AT ???upwind with 16/18K wind = 6.5K

At 90º (on the beam) with 12k wind = 6k

The Norwegian Seil magazine:

Crossing angle = + 100º

At 90º with 14k wind = 7K


It is not as good as a polar, but can give us an idea of the boat sailing potential.

We can compare those results with the ones from another cruiser the jeanneau 409 tested by the German magazine Yacht (good in precision):

At 42º with 10k wind = 6.4K
At 60º with 10k wind = 7.2K
At 90º With 10K wind = 7.5

And I am talking about a cruiser because these values are from a standard boat, not the one with the performance rig and better sails.



On that comparative speed list we can join another 40ft cruiser-racer, the First 40 (Indigo):


(black= J409 Red=D40e Blue=E380 Brown=E350 Green=Pogo 12.50 Orange=RM1200)

6K wind at 70º = 6K (6.7)(6.4)(6.2) (6.8) (5.7) (6.3)

8K wind at 60º = 7K (7.3)(7.1) (6.9) (7.7) (6.7) (7.1)

12K wind at 70º = 8K (8.2) (7.8) (7.2) (8.91) (7.9) (8.2)

25K wind at 110º = 10K (10.6) (10) (9.8) (13.7) (10.1) (10.7)

25K wind at 150º = 10.5K (10.8) (11.2) (11.2) (15.5) (10.8) (11.30).

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Elan 210

Howwww!!! Take a look at this baby:











That's the new Elan 210. This one makes me what to be young again

What a join to cruise/camping on that toy.

The Polar gives amazing speeds toping at 15K.

Like the big brothers it as all: Twin rudders, Chined hull, integrated engine (outboard), retractable bowsprit, a bulbed keel (a lifting one), a good stability curve and a cozy interior.

Congratulations to Rob Humphries, this is a great piece of design

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Why would you need twin rudders on a 21' boat???
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Why would you need twin rudders on a 21' boat???
Is there really a difference to a bigger boat?
Small ones have shorter rudders and so the same limitations as a bigger ones, don't they?
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Why would you need twin rudders on a 21' boat???
Well, you don't need, but this is a performance boat and twin rudders are more effective: The wet area would be about the same (if it was a single one would have to be a deep one) and they are designed to have one vertical and the other out of water, when the boat is heeled. That vertical position gives it a much more effective performance with less drag. Downwind the two rudders help to increase directional stability.

Besides performance considerations, this is a boat with a retractable keel so it has to have also retractable rudders and it is easier to do that with two smaller rudders than with a big one

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Salona 60

Elan is not only making a new 21 ft boat (should be presented at Dusseldorf) but also a new 40ft, on the lines of the 350. His neighbor (both shipyards are in countries than once formed Yugoslavia) Salona is also working hard on a new 60ft and in a completely new 38. Both boats are being designed by Jason ker and that means modern fast boats

The 60ft is sleek but with huge port hulls that will provide the saloon with a nice view. Take a look at the winches positions. That means that is a boat designed for a short crew.

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Do you know of any small boat builder that builds more traditional sailboat?
Sure those light and super fast boat looks like a blast to sail but my thing is more cruising, and for cruising I would be better off with a sailboat with a nice full keel.

Sorry if this question as all ready been asked before, I don't really feel like reading all of the 70 pages...
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There are quite a few more traditional designs still being made. However, they're getting harder to find, as most manufacturers are going with larger and larger boats. Compac Yachts is one company that makes a fairly traditional small cruising sailboat.
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Thats too bad, traditional sailboat really are beautiful...
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Thats too bad, traditional sailboat really are beautiful...
Pacific Seacraft is also still making some smaller ones.
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