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Re: Rounded bows

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... And lifts the bow on a reach to plan earlier...
And on a close haul the bow is less 'dipped in' by the broad stern... The waterlines in a heeled situation is less - how to say - offline... But more in line with the course the boat is going...
There are a lot of merrits to a fat bow, but the main reason is lift to plan...
Nobody is more linguistically impaired than I am, when it comes to languages other than English. However, I'd like to call attention to a recurring spelling error that some of the posters make quite often in this thread.

When a boat attains sufficient speed and lift to break free from the limits of displacement sailing, the correct term to use is: "plane" or "planing"

The words "plan" and "planning" refer to the making of arrangements or contingencies -e.g., "I am planning a cruising vacation in Turkey this summer." Or "I don't know what I'm doing this summer as my wife is the one making the plan." "Plan" can also refer to a diagram or schematic, as in its use in the expression "plan form" - i.e., a graphical rendering of a particular yacht design.

I apologize for playing spelling policeman but hopefully nobody will take offense, as that was not my plan.

However, since English is such a ridiculous language, I should probably note the words "plain" and "plains" - the former means "ordinary or non-descript" while the latter refers to extended flat landscapes.

Again, I beg forgiveness for this brief spelling lesson. I was an English teacher at a very early stage of my career, so it is a difficult habit to break.

I now return you to our regularly scheduled discussion of interesting boats, already in progress.

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I apologize for playing spelling policeman but hopefully nobody will take offense, as that was not my plan.
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... no offense taken...
rather the contrary - i appreciate any correction because it allows me to learn...

so - a plane lands plain in the plains according to the plan but if a plane planes planned on plain water, is it still just a plain plane?
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Re: Rounded bows

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... And lifts the bow on a reach to plan earlier...
And on a close haul the bow is less 'dipped in' by the broad stern... The waterlines in a heeled situation is less - how to say - offline... But more in line with the course the boat is going...
There are a lot of merrits to a fat bow, but the main reason is lift to plan...
I don't think that the reason that XVIII century sailing boat was a rounded bow has to do to planing or dipping the bow while heeled (those boats heeled not much). Regarding an open type modern racer you are correct but that has nothing to do with this case.

We have talked extensively here about the advantages of that kind of bow, referring what his designer, David Raison, found about that in his studies and while racing and what we could observe on the last Transat. Maybe I did not have understood correctly Classic 30 question. I thought he was talking about the boat he posted.

Classic30, for more information search on the thread search engine for David Raison and Bathtube bow.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

One of the new boats at Boot Duesseldorf this year will be the SQ25, a trailerable and incredibly versatile little boat. It will be available in many different layouts (interior and cockpit), performance or cruising rig, diesel or electric, and 3 keel configurations, for whatever your primary uses will be. The performance rig looks quite powerful. As a company, SQ has only been around for a year, but they are building boats in the old Dehler factory with most of the original Dehler production staff, so we should expect a pretty high build quality. They are also building Comfortina Yachts, and Scangaard 26. Can't wait to see the SQ25.
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The design is the result of a design competition, where the winner was chosen by popular vote on their website.
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Sq 25

Very nice boat and congratulations to Marc-Oliver von Ahlen for a great design...and to the public that chose a very nice boat.

SQ25 | Yachtdesign v. Ahlen

Here are the dimensions:

LOA 7.50 m (standard)
LOA 7,80 m (twin rudder)
Hull length 7.50 m
Lwl: 6.74 m
Beam 2.49 m
Air draft 11.40 m
Fixed keel standard 1.30 m
Fixed keel shallow 1.10 m
Swing keel 0.70 m-1, 80 m
Sail area 32.7 square meters (Standard rig)
Light Displacement 1600 kg

and the two versions, the standard and the fast one:

















Regarding the designer he has experience in small fast boats, he is the one that designed the Sailart 22, one of the boats nominated for this year European boat of the year contest, this boat:

Kunst am Boot: Sailart 22 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin

Also the one that designed the Sirius 35, one of the boats that was posted on the first posts of this thread.
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... no offense taken...
rather the contrary - i appreciate any correction because it allows me to learn...

so - a plane lands plain in the plains according to the plan but if a plane planes planned on plain water, is it still just a plain plane?
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Very nice boat and congratulations to Marc-Oliver von Ahlen for a great design...and to the public that chose a very nice boat.

SQ25 | Yachtdesign v. Ahlen

Here are the dimensions:

LOA 7.50 m (standard)
LOA 7,80 m (twin rudder)
Hull length 7.50 m
Lwl: 6.74 m
Beam 2.49 m
Air draft 11.40 m
Fixed keel standard 1.30 m
Fixed keel shallow 1.10 m
Swing keel 0.70 m-1, 80 m
Sail area 32.7 square meters (Standard rig)
Light Displacement 1600 kg

and the two versions, the standard and the fast one:

Regarding the designer he has experience in small fast boats, he is the one that designed the Sailart 22, one of the boats nominated for this year European boat of the year contest, this boat:

Kunst am Boot: Sailart 22 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin

Also the one that designed the Sirius 35, one of the boats that was posted on the first posts of this thread.
Wow! Very nice indeed. This could very well factor into my considerations, particularly the option with the enclosed marine head / shower (for certain family members for whom that is the most important feature of any sailboat).

That extra 0.9M of length and corresponding interior volume would make for a more comfortable experience in any kind of serious breeze or sea state, compared to the Elan 210. I'm a big fan of the swing keel option, versus the lift keel (which I'm okay with, just prefer the former). Looking forward to seeing the finished product and pricing options.

Thanks very much for sharing this surprising (and very interesting, of course) little boat.

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Norbert Sedlacek and Fipofix on their way again!

Norbert Sedlacek has departed from Gijon in "Fipofix" for another singlehanded Atlantic crossing attempt. You may recall that his initial attempt, last Fall, was cut short by electrical problems and a collision with an unidentified floating object, which damaged his rudder.

He initially set off yesterday but encountered problems with autopilot controller that forced a return to Gijon for repairs. But now he is on his way and, if everything goes smoothly, will arrive in New York City in a few weeks.

I am really hoping he succeeds and will do my best to go down and visit the boat when he arrives.






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Faurby 460E

Great news: Faurby is making a big one.

I confess that I have an irrational love for Faubry: Their boats are traditional, narrow and with one of the best finish on the market, a true work of art. Besides they are a family business and are very nice. I say Irrational because the design is good but nor really modern and the boats even if fast are not a match for the Luffe.

I believe that ended, I mean not being a match and not being contemporary. For the new one instead of being designed in the house, the design is from Lars. T. Olsen that we know for designing the HP 1030, a very fast boat. The 460E design seems sensational. Sure it will have a more traditional look than other performance cruisers but this time it is really only the look. This is the kind of traditional boat I like

Look at the dimensions:

Length................14.70 m
Hull length...........13,95 m
LWL....................12,35 m
Beam................... 3.90 m
Draft / alternative...2,25 m / 2,00, 2,70 m
Displacement..........8,5 t
Ballast...................3,6 t
MainSail................61 sqm
Sail area Jib...........48 sqm
Gennaker..............180 sqm
Motor 39 kW/53 hp

And look at the hull:



The boat comes with a rigging for solo sailing as you can see above.





Ok, the deawings are 2D and it will not look as good as 3D drawings but I know that this boat is beautiful.

The problem with narrow boats is that they are a lot more expensive, they have a lot less interior space and you need a bigger boat that it ends up having about the same weight, needing the same sail area, being faster....but much more expensive in maintenance and marinas. Money aside, this is probably the kind of boat that I would not mind to change by my own...but unless you have a lot of it money counts a lot.

Ok, I would like a more vertical bow and an open transom. The open transom I am sure it would not be a problem (they offer that possibility on the other boats) regarding the bow that is not obviously possible...but anyway who wants a perfect boat

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