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Re: Interesting Sailboats

funny - the two tris on their record attempt are right now almost side by side...
22°03 N 24°19 E heading 209° doing 27.4 knts for sobedo
22°06 N 23°02 E heading 208° doing 23.2 knts for prince de bretagne as of 09:00 hrs today.
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Soler Yachts - fast cruiser with pilothouse, lifting keel and water ballast

The combination of a Sirius with a RM Yacht? Interesting weights - if true...
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yeah, interesting if true...
still - there is something not kosher with the traveler being screwed to the transom - how is that supposed to work on deep reaches?
the two winches on either side directly in front of the helm is also something not very practical, especially in this configuration where the inner winch is rendered useless because the linefeed is blocked by either the helm or the other winch...

and have a look at the interior - do you see any available space for a fridge?

i know these are just rough renders but it looks weird...

some images of the soler 35FC which is build at the moment:
http://morozov-yachts.com/news.php?view=392
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Soler Yachts - fast cruiser with pilothouse, lifting keel and water ballast

The combination of a Sirius with a RM Yacht? Interesting weights - if true...
Funny looking boat, but I like thinking outside the box so...

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The Contest 42 CS looked sharp in the breezy Ft. Lauderdale - Key West race
Took her a while to come thru the fleet in the light going during first half of race but with 25+ knts and 80-90 APW she got her sea legs running
World Premiere boat that was black/gray/gold in color
The black sails with gold design looked a bit odd when reefed and the jib half rolled up
Nice guys showing the boat off at the dock
Carbon rig
Even though last place in IRC and 6 hours behind the Cookson 50 and Carkeek 40 she arrived in style and a lot dryer with the large raised bridgework and a lot more protection behind the dual wheels
I have no doubt that one of the reason why the Contest 42 won was because it sailed exceptionally well for that type of boat. It takes some balls to take that boat on a true race The boat is on the same class of Halberg Rassy and company.

The Gunfleet 58 was also a strong contender. I don't like the boat "style" but I has very impressed with its performance on the last ARC. A good cruiser no doubt, personal taste aside.

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2014 European boat of the year - the movie

Here are the winning boats:

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Das sind die Siegeryachten 2014 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin
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Re: SQ 25

Finally, pics of the new SQ25.
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European boat of the year 2014 - Beneteau Oceanis 38

More important than to know that the boat was choosen is to know why it was chosen and regarding that I find that the opinion of the different testers is very relevant. Here they are with a "free" translation:

The British from Yachting World:

"By far the most radical and innovative in their group, both in appearance as in their concept, the Beneteau Oceanis 38 designed by Pascal Conq fom Groupe Finot… it has a moderate and easy to handle sail plan a surprisingly lively performance for a boat of this type. The twin rudder give a solid, secure feeling, while the cockpit design allows it to be easily sailed by a small crew. Available as Daysailer , weekenders or cruiser, the Oceanis 38 can be later adapted and upgraded by equippement modules. this multi-tasking interior is a strong and fresh approach of the shipyard, which has often set innovative trends in boat building.

The Dutch from Waterkampioen :

"A great performance from the French shipyard: It has developed a boat that fits to several purposes and that will provide fun. The cockpit and the large swim platform make the yacht very adequate for bathing and living in beautiful spots at anchor. The equipment with their various options that can be adapted from day-sailing to cruising is very special and the most amazing is that all of the combinations work really well. Finally, the Oceanis sails also really well.

The Swiss from Marina.ch :

Beneteau proved that it makes sense to make new design developments even in difficult times. The new Oceanis is more than merely a decorative cosmetic regarding older models. Especially the modular equipment is something new on the market being the the two most compelling versions the Weekender and the Cruiser. Also convincing the bright atmosphere below deck, the layout of the cockpit and the sailing performance.

The Italians from Fare Vela:

As the most innovative boat in the competition, the new Oceanis is a concept that can bring a revolution to the world of touring boats. You can buy a basic version and then change over the years the equipment, adding it or replacing it by omne more adapted to your sailing program and this is the most interesting aspect ….The exterior is not so appealing, yet modern and well thought out but she sails impressively, especially against the wind. Only the price is a bit high, especially if one takes into account the entire building quality…..as always Beneteau is a leader in innovation.

The Austrians from Yacht Revue :

Oceanis 38 , the most innovative boat in this size, it offers a tremendous diversity and plenty of space everywhere. Nice atmosphere inside, a comfortable cockpit, a special layout for cruising with functional Targa bar and impressive sailing performance at a wind speed of more than 20 knots.

The Swedes from Segling :

The concept with three versions – Daysailer, weekender and full cruising boat - is an innovative and interesting idea and the equipment solutions by Nauta Design will amaze you with its simple modernity. The sail performance has proved to be good enough to even face challenging conditions.

The French from Voile and Voiliers:

Oceanis has created with her new loft concept a very special interior. The more interesting thing is not so much the possibility of converting the boat after the purchase but the feeling of a huge open space. The 38 is also easy to sail, roomy, and the hull has plenty of stability and that gives a feeling of security when the wind picks up. Definitely not a race boat, but a boat to have a great time on the water.

The Spanish from Nautica & Yates :

Instead of making a boat on the line with the other cruising boats in the Oceanis line, one in direct competition with the models of its subsidiary Jeanneau the French shipyard enters unexplored territory: Sailing fun, lounge atmosphere at the anchorage, a cockpit that provides lots of socializing and a big swimming platform. The design is attractive, and so far as we could test: it works.

The Deutch from Yacht.de:

Beneteau has opened a new chapter in terms layout and design, in fact, the market leaders provided an interior that looks so huge and bright that you feel you are on a much, much larger boat, it is perfect.. .. Applause for the presentation and color scheme, which gives the interior a special ambience. Probably we will have similar concepts from other shipyards . The sail performance under sail with less than ten knots of wind was not exceptional, even with code 0, typical of wide, heavy touring boats, but the Oceanis showed that it can cope, fully controlled, with harsh conditions (and the twin rudder contributes to that control). Well done! "




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Finally, pics of the new SQ25.
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So, in price it is not too far from the Elan 210, though I don't think the Elan price includes VAT and definitely not sailaway - e.g., no sails or electronics. But similar boats, in many respects. I would say the SQ25 is more oriented towards cruising - the enclosed marine heads, the wood deck inlays, etc. - than the Elan. And, of course, the SQ25 is a larger boat. Side by side I think I would choose the Elan 210, but I would guess my wife would prefer the SQ25. Looking forward to seeing a sail test by Toby from YW.
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Dehler 38 viewed by the Jury:

The British from Yachting World:
To develop the next generation of modern performance cruiser, Dehler has ignored the current trend to hard chines, double rudders and retractable bowsprit….. The design is unquestionably a Yudel / Vrolijks design. And while it is certainly meant for cruising sailors, he will often be found with equipment and deck layout for ORC and IRC regatta races. Notwithstanding the regatta potential the Dehler is at the same time easy to sail solo or with a short crew use.. All this and the possible rig and keel variations make the Dehler 38 very polyvalent on this competitive class and size.

The Dutch from Waterkampioen :
Dehler is finally back!!. A very nice sailboat very well-designed features, maybe a little dark inside, but with surprisingly good solutions, as we were used to Dehler from the seventies and eighties .... very nice to look at and also a good family boat, the 38 is not specific sailboat, but a very clever combination of good ideas -... a true performance cruiser "

The Swiss from Marina.ch :
The first Dehler, enteirely built in Greifswald, is in a truly positive surprise: Dehler is still Dehler in terms of design, but also on the sailing characteristics. The design is striking and the slender hull does not have pronounced the missing chines.. . ..The Dehler 38 is a great cruiser that will not disappoint also on the race course.

The Norwegians from Seilas:
Dehler was on the target with many right decisions and created a performance boat that will serve many purposes. The Dehler 38 is a great family boat, but also a fast performance cruiser that without being revolutionary or innovative or revolutionary, its nice and sails well.

The Italians from Fare Vela:
If you are looking for an attractive, well-designed and well-performing fast boat for a small family and one at a good price, then the new German boat might be right one. The design is modern and good: the deck layout is consistent and well-adjusted, the interior shows a modern style with some new ideas … Obviously you cannot expect perfect results or material of the highest quality for the contained price, but everything looks stylish and neat.
In what regards sailing the Dehler 38 is a good all-rounder, with a power that can bring joy even in club regattas. But even if you have sporty cruising on the target you should order the complete performance package with both deep keel and Regatta rig. Either way, the Dehler can be regarded as a timeless performance cruiser, a good successor to the Dehler 36…

The Austrians from Yacht Revue :
The Dehler 38 could be the definition of performance cruiser concept: Good looks from the inside out, perfectly functional deck layout, fast sailing in all conditions and a very attractive price.

The French from Voile and Voiliers:
The Dehler 38…. is a fast cruiser with no weak points. Very nice and aggressive look, clever and current layout below deck as well as good performance on the water.

The Spanish from Nautica & Yates :
The Dehler has all you could expect from a a 38-foot performance cruiser or cruiser / racer : We were impressed by its speed and ease of sailing. The handling and maneuverability are well thought out for regatta courses, but cockpit and deck still provide comfort when cruising. Design and building are of high quality while the price is reasonable.

The Deutch from Yacht.de:
While many shipyards were working in this segment of lighter, stiffer, even faster boats while neglecting the comfort, Dehler takes a different approach with their new 38. It is just as nimble as comfortable. This may not be revolutionary, but it gives it a broad appeal and works in practice really very well. The owner can choose between more power thanks to several rig, keel and lightweight options, or equip the boat more to cruising. All this for a price that is hard to beat. A great comeback for a brand that has passed through many hands and finally seems to have the original Dehler DNA. "


Well, not very exciting as a performance cruiser but highly valued as a fast cruiser for the family. The Italians point out very rightly what I had been sayng about this boat: that for this one to be a performance cruiser it has to be outfitted with a huge number of very expensive extras, from epoxy hull to taller rig, deeper keel and so on...and then is not "cheap" anymore but much more expensive. This in the lower end version it is more a sports family cruiser than a performance cruiser and not one suited for racing.

It seems that everybody was in accordance in choosing this boat but I did not posted some Jury opinions that were....humm not very clear, for instance the Danish member mumbled about this boat being slower than the much smaller XP 33 (also in competition) and the Swede jury that the best it says about the boat was : "a yacht that is exceptionally free of annoying errors. "

Not very exciting for a performance cruiser but (on its standard version) certainly one of the best family cruisers on the market and a fast and beautiful one.

It seems to me that the categories should be more clear and more numerous: Family cruisers seems alright for me as well as performance cruisers but it is needed another one for cruiser-racers, like the Xp33 or the MAT 10.10, faster boats pointed more for racing at high levell then cruising but that can be also used as a a very fast cruising boat. A truly polyvalent boat.

Sure a performance cruiser is also a polyvalent boat but here we are talking about club racing and more or less extensive cruising potential, not about top racing.

Don't take me wrong, I love the Dehler 38 and now that I am becoming old, It might very well suit me as a cruising boat but it seems unfair to me that a boat like this one could be compared for example with a Sydney 37. How can you judge and compare boats that are aiming to so different objectives and market public, one primarily aimed for cruising and some club racing and the other aimed for top racing and some non extensive cruising?



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