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the other recent boats are a 50 Hybrid:

But I confess the one I like more is the little 34Ds with his inverted bow and aggressive look:
i personally do not like the 34 DS that much, but the hybrid 50 the more...
a very unusual design with this big stateroom aft and thus no real cockpit... she has an induction stove instead of the propane burners...
i really do not know if i could appreciate her interior though... and the mast rolling main...
i stumbled across vismara by sheer accident - they are way out of my budget, although the boats are beautiful and very performance oriented... very light with in most cases excessive draft.
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Re: 52 Super series Key West regatta

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Edward is right. They had to change course to avoid a boat, they went to high...and lost control.
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That's what I said.

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Yes, Vismara has some great yachts. We talked about the little one the 34 ......
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In the brokerage section of their site there is lone 34 named Asell, lying in Pisa and priced at 60000. The boat is 10 years old and has been participating in many races, probably abused a lot.

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Re: 250 000 at Dusseldorf boat show.

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Well, I was one of them but even so 249 999 is a lot of people or should I say sailors? They have about half sail boats half motor boats but the people on the sailboat pavilions is much more than in any other sector, so I am pretty sure that the majority are sailors.

They come from all over Europe and even Russia (saw several). Meet a nice couple with an Halberg Rassy looking for something faster. They had come from England just to visit a Dufour 410. It is really impressive the quantity of foreign languages you can hear. Meet some Portuguese too.
I only met people discussing why a First 35 is more expensive than an Oceanis 34 even if the Oceanis has a much better interior...
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Meet a nice couple with an Halberg Rassy looking for something faster. They had come from England just to visit a Dufour 410
I can't believe why one is going to downgrade from Halberg Rassy to Dufour. There are fast boats in the same quality league of Halberg Rassy.

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Why performance boats are ex+ensive.

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I only met people discussing why a First 35 is more expensive than an Oceanis 34 even if the Oceanis has a much better interior...
Yes, many years ago that made me confusion too. In fact it takes some knowledge to know that a better interior is much more cheap to build than to buy bigger and more winches, bigger and better mast, bigger and better sails and all quality rigging that is needed on a performance boat. Performance boats have also a superior stability and are normally narrower and that means a bigger B/D ratio and a stronger hull and structure to take the efforts.

All this put together is what explains why a First 35 (a great boat) is substantially more expensive than an Oceanis 34. The Oceanis 34 is built to have a nice interior and be an inexpensive sailboat that sails well. The first 35 is built to be as inexpensive as possible, having a good cruising interior and to sail very well.

The difference between to sail well and to sail very well is always a expensive one and the difference between sailing very well and sailing outstandingly well is even more expensive

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In the brokerage section of their site there is lone 34 named Asell, lying in Pisa and priced at 60000. The boat is 10 years old and has been participating in many races, probably abused a lot.

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Rumen, that boat has nothing to do with the boat I had posted that is a brand new design, or better the only thing ion common is that both were designed by Vismara and gave 34ft


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I can't believe why one is going to downgrade from Halberg Rassy to Dufour. There are fast boats in the same quality league of Halberg Rassy.

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The question is: Is the quality worth the money? I would never again spend so much money in expensive wood instead of a perfect sail wardrobe and high-tech electronics... I simply do not need it, it doesn't even satisfy me...

PS: I co-own a HR42...
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Rumen, that boat has nothing to do with the boat I had posted that is a brand new design, or better the only thing ion common is that both were designed by Vismara and gave 34ft


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I love the Brusafer on the first sight, on the second look it is a litte bit weird, ordered by a very rich man with lots of weird ideas (a strong focus on Hifi sound and so on)...
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Italian style yachts

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i personally do not like the 34 DS that much, but the hybrid 50 the more...
a very unusual design with this big stateroom aft and thus no real cockpit... she has an induction stove instead of the propane burners...
i really do not know if i could appreciate her interior though... and the mast rolling main...
i stumbled across vismara by sheer accident - they are way out of my budget, although the boats are beautiful and very performance oriented... very light with in most cases excessive draft.
They are one of the several Italian brands that have been posted on this thread that make top performance small yachts. Have a look back on the thread or look for instance at this ones (that have already been posted):

ICE Yachts srl - Ice Yachts

Mylius Yachts, Barche a vela, Fast Cruiser

ADVANCED - Italian Yachts

http://www.sly-yachts.com/en

B-YACHTS

http://www.solarisyachts.com/

ITALIA YACHTS ? Performance and cruising luxury boats

Fast cruising carbon sailing yacht Aureus XV - The Compact Maxi Yacht

ComarYachts

We have also Wally making big yachts:

Wally // Sail

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